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https://doi.org/10.5194/tc-18-2653-2024
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Coupled ice–ocean interactions during future retreat of West Antarctic ice streams in the Amundsen Sea sector
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Bett et al. presented the ice evolution of the Thwaites, Pine Island, and Smith Glaciers in the West Antarctic in a century scale using a new synchronously coupled ice/ocean model. Three couped simulations were conducted with warm and cold forcings and another one with no sub-shelf melting. They found the Thwaites Glacier provides a much higher sea-level contributions with a sea-level rise increasing approximately quadratically with time. The ice mass loss from Thwaites is closely dominated by the formation and duration of isolated pinning points and ocean-driven melting is the key driver behind the loss of pinning points. Overall, the manuscript is generally well written. However, the model setup section and some of the descriptions need more improvements.
Here are some general comments:
There are some details missing in the model setup section, especially about how the coupled model handles the grounding line movement. It is also not clear how the model facilitates the information exchange between the WAVI ice sheet models and the MITgcm STREAMCE every coupling period. Grounding line movement is a very important process in the coupled ice ocean models. However, the authors did not explain much about how they handle the grounding line movement in the coupled setup. You mentioned that (P5, L150) ‘the WAVI drag field is passed to MITgcm to decide where melting can occur during each coupling period’ and ‘grounding-line retreat is accomplished naturally’. Do you mean the grounding line position is updated every ocean timestep and then passed to WAVI. Will the grounding line position be fixed in WAVI during each couple period? How do you decide the grounding-line should retreat in the ocean model?
The boundaries between Thwaites, PIG, and Smith defined in Figure 1a are not reasonable to me. The following analysis on SLR contributions, melting and grounding ice area loss are all based on these boundaries. I would suggest using the basin boundaries to divide these three glaciers.
The authors suggested that the melting rates around the pinning points will be difficult to be captured without a coupled ice/ocean model. I would suggest running a separate ice-only model with parameterised basal melting and compare the difference.
Specific Comments:
P3, L73: please provide the details (data name, version number, etc.) about the datasets (ice velocity and thickness change rates) for the inversion.
P3, l79: It’s not clear to me how you configure the englacial temperature in your ice model. I understand you cite Arthern et al., 2015 to cover the ice model setup but you should at least mention how the ice flow equation is represented in your ice model.
P4, L97: eastern à western?
P4, L105: When you say the initial melt rates, do you mean the melt rates you gor from the ocean only simulations at end of the 2 years spin-up?
P4, L111: About the ‘coupling shock’, do you mean the sudden changes in the water fluxes across the ice/ocean boundary? Could you explain it in the text when you first mention it?
P4, P114: what is the value derived from observation?
P5, L 130: why do you set the subglacial layer to be 4 m thick. Is this a empirical value from previous studies?
P5, L135: that in the 3D ocean grid that would never go afloat à that would never go afloat in the 3D ocean grid.
P5, L138: how do you decide the couple domain is ‘far enough’? Did you justify it based on a previous projection for this region?
P5, L156: This information about bathymetry and initial ice geometry should be firstly mentioned in Sect. 2.1 and 2.2.
P5, L160: what are ‘velocity grid points’?
P5, L161: when you talk about ‘no ice basal drag’, I understand you mean floating area. But in this study, you have two regions with basal drag: basal drag beneath the grounded ice and basal drag beneath the floating ice. Please clarify it across the text.
P7, L179: delete the first ‘(e)’ here.
P8, L182: The colorbar for Fig3c melt rate is not good enough to show the increased basal melt near the new grounding line. Please adjust it to the visible range. Please also add the grounding lines in the caption.
P9, L194: The Thwaites Glacier also shows a sign of deceleration by comparing the snapshots of 100 years and 125 years in Fig. 3b, which corresponds to the drop down in Fig 4b and 4c after year 100. I realise you mentioned this on P12L266-269, but I think you should at least point it out here and leave the explanation later.
P9, L200: There are lots of noise on Figs. 4f and 4j but I did not see this noise in Fig. 4b. You ran the model for the whole domain and extract the rate of change rate of SL rise for each of the glaciers, right? Then why?
P10, L220: For Smith, it is closer to 0.15 mm/yr rather than 0.1.
P10, L227: It’s ‘almost’ 600 rather than ‘over’ 600. Actually, it is around 500 at end of 125 years.
P10, L236-237: You mentioned that one of the limitations in this study was the idealised constant ocean forcings applied to the boundaries. Not just the decadal variability but also the climatology related changes under different emission scenarios in the future. How could you make the statement that ‘the future SLR from this region is only weakly influenced by variations within the plausible range of ocean conditions’?
P17, L361: ‘with only more modified CDW’? I think you mean ‘only limited CDW’.
P19, L389: the SLR rate did not continue over the 125-year time period based on Fig. 4b if you are talking about the red line.
P19, L407: 2 km mesh near the grounding line is not seen as a very high-resolution model. A coarser mesh near the grounding line may have underestimated the mass loss in the marine ice sheet systems.
L20, P427: how about the subglacial freshwater discharge?
L20, P438: The structure of discussion could be better organised. You’re talking about another limitation here. It looks messy in the structure of the discussion. Why don’t you talk about all these limitations together rather than separated by some other points like the paragraph above?
P21, L478: it would be interesting to see the differences by conducting the ice-only experiments with parameterised ocean-driven melting.