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https://doi.org/10.5194/tc-19-3493-2025
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the Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 License.Optimizing rock glacier activity classification in South Tyrol (northeastern Italy): integrating multisource data with statistical modelling
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In this paper, the authors integrate existing rock glacier results from South Tyrol region, including the Autonomous Province of Bolzano/Bozen (PAB) rock glacier inventory data and the DInSAR-derived movement status by Bertone et al., (2019). By combining geomorphological characteristics of the rock glaciers, climatic driving factors, and InSAR products, the statistical model is calibrated and validated. This model is then used to optimize the identification of A (Active), T (Transitional), and R (Relict) states of rock glaciers in the region, while also describing the relationship between rock glacier states and multiple driving variables.
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Line 28: “Our approach improved classification accuracy, leaving only 3.5% of features unclassified compared to 13% in morphological classification and 18.5% in DInSAR-based methods.” If "feature" here refers to the number of rock glaciers, such as the 3.5% representing 63 out of a total of 1,779, then it doesn't represent accuracy. Instead, it should be considered an enhancement over previous work, providing a more complete or comprehensive cataloging of rock glacier states.
Line 60: “Although widely used, this classification brings two relevant limitations both from subjectivity point of view (activity attribution based on geomorphological approach is depended on the operator skills) as well as categorization since the activity of rock glaciers is considered constant over time at the scale of decades to centuries.” The classification into "intact" and "relict" does not inherently introduce subjectivity; rather, it is the geomorphological classification process that carries subjective factors. If we classify Active (A), Relict (R), and Transitional (T) states based on geomorphological characteristics, it would also involve subjectivity. The use of initial identification data, such as the x-axis in Table 1, which is also based on geomorphological characteristics, introduces subjectivity into the GAM as well. Please explain why the assumption of long-term invariability in activity state identification would be considered a limitation of the "relict" and "intact" classification.
Line 125: Bertone et al., (2019)
Lines 193-199: What role does precipitation play in the overall text? Precipitation was not included as an input in the GAM; is it meant to be part of the discussion on precipitation? However, there doesn’t appear to be any statistical information provided to support the author's discussion on precipitation.
Section 3.3: How were the velocity datasets from ascending and descending InSAR results integrated? Why was the calculation of slope velocities for rock glaciers not performed, given that both ascending and descending InSAR maps were derived?
Line 253: Is the 100m value an empirical choice? If a unit within a rock glacier system is entirely occupied by other units within a 100 m buffer zone, how is this situation handled? I agree with the author's idea of calculating the increment by comparing the values inside and outside the buffer zone. This increment can potentially distinguish between the rock glacier's intrinsic movement and movement caused by external factors. It seems that further analysis or application of this increment has not been addressed in the following sections.
Line 285: Cross-validation is generally used because the data is limited, and it helps improve the model's generalization capability. It also allows for better evaluation and enhances the model's ability to fit data outside the training set. Please clarify the rationale for consecutively using 2-fold, 5-fold, and 10-fold cross-validation.
Line 309: From the boxplot (Figure 5c), it appears that VRM (Vector Ruggedness Measure) doesn't show a significant signal, which might suggest that surface roughness is unrelated to the activity status. Therefore, the inclusion of VRM in the GAM model seems unjustified. There are many other potential factors that could serve as surface condition indicators, such as terrain curvature and vegetation cover.
Section 4.2: Were the normalized or raw values of the eight variables used in the GAM model? How many rock glacier samples were used? Is it the number of A+T+R as mentioned in Table 1? Additionally, how did the author deal with the rock glaciers located in the layover/shadow regions of the SAR data?
Line 383: The GAM is trained as a classifier based on the environmental factors of the original rock glacier data and the DInSAR products. However, it seems unreasonable to apply the trained GAM model to all 1,779 rock glaciers in the region, including those initially used as training datasets.
Lines 465-472: The paper lacks information on the statistical relationship between precipitation and rock glacier activity status.
Lines 500-507: The current method for evaluating identification accuracy involves both InSAR movement signals and distinct morphological characteristics, providing a quantitative perspective first and then a subjective morphological identification perspective. However, if the current GAM identification method requires InSAR products, such as movement velocity and coherence as inputs, why not directly use the velocity map along with geomorphological features to evaluate the status?
Lines 541-551: Vlos cannot fully represent the true movement pattern of rock glaciers. Could this limitation affect the uncertainty of the GAM? There might be cases where some rock glaciers have a large Vlos but a much smaller actual movement rate, thus introducing uncertainty.
Comments on Figures
Figure 2: The "calibration" step in the “multiclass GAM model” is vague. Typically, calibration involves adjusting something that was previously incorrect to make it correct. Could you clarify what this step entails in the context of your model?
Figure 3: The units of the unwrapped phase should be “rad” rather than “cm/yr.”
Figure 4: Do the input dataset “look vectors” correspond to Figure 4b (the visibility map)?
Figure 5: How were the outliers identified, and how was the lower limit chosen, especially for the coherence, such as in Figure 5d? The median and quartile changes with R, T, A are quite reasonable, but I've noticed that there are many outliers close to your lower limit. Please explain how the lower limit was determined and why there are so many outliers, not just in Figure 5d. Also, why not calculate and present the “mean velocity,” “variance of velocity,” and “velocity outside delta (∆)” plots like the coherence panel?
Figure 5h: Is a velocity threshold (0.02 m/yr) being applied?
Figure 6f: Although the relationship may not be immediately apparent, I have observed that many rock glaciers are frequently located in convergent areas. This pattern is intriguing, and any insights or explanation regarding this observation would be valuable.
Figure 11b: Would replacing the LOS velocity values with slope velocity result in a smoother transition from red to blue?