Articles | Volume 19, issue 9
https://doi.org/10.5194/tc-19-3443-2025
© Author(s) 2025. This work is distributed under the Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 License.
Reconstruction of mass balance and firn stratigraphy during the 1996–2011 warm period at high altitude on Mount Ortles, Eastern Alps: a comparison of modelled and ice core results
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- Final revised paper (published on 03 Sep 2025)
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2025-729', Peter Neff, 25 Apr 2025
- AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Luca Carturan, 30 May 2025
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2025-729', Anonymous Referee #2, 08 May 2025
- AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Luca Carturan, 30 May 2025
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ED: Publish subject to minor revisions (review by editor) (03 Jun 2025) by Evgeny A. Podolskiy
AR by Luca Carturan on behalf of the Authors (05 Jun 2025)
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ED: Publish subject to minor revisions (review by editor) (10 Jun 2025) by Evgeny A. Podolskiy
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ED: Publish as is (19 Jun 2025) by Evgeny A. Podolskiy
AR by Luca Carturan on behalf of the Authors (22 Jun 2025)
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The authors present a novel approach to surmount the challenge of interpreting altered paleoclimate records such as the ice cores recovered from Mt. Ortles. This is a worthy pursuit, as recovering paleoclimate information from fast changing polar and alpine regions must be done before information is obscured outright by increasing temperatures and increased ablation and meltwater alteration of chemical snow and ice stratigraphy.
Carturan et al make a useful advance in understanding the Ortles records, where some time periods in the core are missing due to less snow accumulation and/or increased melt. The approach models the mass balance history and firn stratigraphy at the site from 1996-2011 to reproduce stratigraphy observed in the firn/ice core records and check interpretation of those samples against their model based expectation of what is preserved in the stratigraphy. The model approach appears well calibrated against accumulation as observed at an automated weather station and the drilling site, despite considerable inter annual variability in mass balance.
This modeling approach importantly provides a somewhat independent verification of the annual layer counting based on water stable isotopes and pollen concentrations. This will help going forward in considering uncertainty in the climate interpretation of the pollen and water isotope data, giving some sense of uncertainty due to dating error.
I have few direct concerns about the approach and manuscript, and indeed consider it a valuable contribution to the discipline that we’d do well to apply to similar sites such as our work at Mount Waddington, British Columbia, Canada.
-Peter Neff