Articles | Volume 18, issue 12
https://doi.org/10.5194/tc-18-5641-2024
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Brief communication: New perspectives on the skill of modelled sea ice trends in light of recent Antarctic sea ice loss
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- Final revised paper (published on 05 Dec 2024)
- Preprint (discussion started on 18 Dec 2023)
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-2881', William Hobbs, 20 Dec 2023
- AC1: 'Reply to RC1', Caroline Holmes, 30 Mar 2024
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-2881', Anonymous Referee #2, 20 Dec 2023
- AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Caroline Holmes, 30 Mar 2024
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RC3: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-2881', Anonymous Referee #3, 24 Dec 2023
- AC3: 'Reply on RC3', Caroline Holmes, 30 Mar 2024
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ED: Reconsider after major revisions (further review by editor and referees) (02 Apr 2024) by Chris Derksen
AR by Caroline Holmes on behalf of the Authors (13 May 2024)
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ED: Referee Nomination & Report Request started (15 May 2024) by Chris Derksen
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ED: Reconsider after major revisions (further review by editor and referees) (27 Jun 2024) by Chris Derksen
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ED: Publish subject to technical corrections (03 Oct 2024) by Chris Derksen
AR by Caroline Holmes on behalf of the Authors (16 Oct 2024)
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The authors reassess the apparent disagreement between observed Antarctic sea ice trends and CMIP models, in light of recent extreme low sea ice events and the impact on the observed trend field. This is a valuable exercise that gives important context to the reliability (or otherwise!) of coupled models for the Antarctic climate system. Unfortunately I think the execution needs to be improved before recommending publication:
1) the treatment and presentation of the literature on Antarctic SIA trends isn't really adequate, and this does have an impact on the interpretation of the results/discussion. It's not really clear from the opening paragraph whether the author's are claiming a discrepancy between modelled and obs trends to 2014, but the language implies that (e.g. "...consistent with observations."). That's not really true in the literature - at least not for total SIA, when the model internal variability is properly accounted for (zunz et al 2013, polvani and smith, 2013) - it's only when spatial trends were considered that the model trends were incompatible with obs (Hobbs et al 2015). I think the Intro needs a very clear statement from the authors about what they mean by agreement with obs (also in the Discussion section), and a bit more nuanced outline of the literature to-date
2) My biggest concern is that I don't think the handling of the CMIP6 data is adequate.
2a) Firstly there is no drift correction which is essential for dealing the historical simulation trends. Most models will have little drift in SIA but some on the list (e.g. MIROC) are known to have quite large drifts. I think at the very least proof from the piControl experiments that spurious trends in SIA are small is required
2b) internal variability in the models isn't properly dealt with. The method used implicitly assumes that the models all have similar internal variabilities but this assumption isn't stated and isn't really valid - some models (e.g. GFDL) have some pretty large multidecadal internal variability (Zhang et al 2018) that differs greatly from other models. Even by truncating the max contribution of each model to 6 ensemble members, there's still a weighting towards those models with more members. As for the model drift correction, interrogating the piControl experiments is the correct way to represent modelled internal variability. Aside from internal variability, quite a few models have ice-free summers for the period of interest (Roach et al 2020) which is obviously going to impact their trends (no ice = no trend)
3) obs - I assume that the 'synthetic' extension of the obs record to end of 2023 is just a placeholder, and that the actual data will be used before publication?
Hobbs, W. R., N. L. Bindoff, and M. N. Raphael, 2015: New Perspectives on Observed and Simulated Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Trends Using Optimal Fingerprinting Techniques. J Climate, 28, 1543-1560, 10.1175/JCLI-D-14-00367.1.
Polvani, L. M., and K. L. Smith, 2013: Can natural variability explain observed Antarctic sea ice trends? New modeling evidence from CMIP5Geophysical Research Letters, 40, 3195-3199, 10.1002/grl.50578.
Zhang, L., T. Delworth, W. Cooke, and X. Yang, 2018: Natural variability of Southern Ocean convection as a driver of observed climate trends. Nature Clim. Change, 10.1038/s41558-018-0350-3.
Zunz, V., H. Goosse, and F. Massonnet, 2013: How does internal variability influence the ability of CMIP5 models to reproduce the recent trend in Southern Ocean sea ice extent? The Cryosphere, 7, 451-468, 10.5194/tc-7-451-2013.