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https://doi.org/10.5194/tc-16-903-2022
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Elements of future snowpack modeling – Part 1: A physical instability arising from the nonlinear coupling of transport and phase changes
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Schurholt et al. show that coupled equations for heat transport, vapour diffusion and ice mass conservation in snow permit wave solutions in density. The linear stability analysis is nice work that, together with numerical solutions of the nonlinear equations, demonstrates that these are true mathematical solutions and not numerical artefacts. The setting is limited to be somewhat short of a full snow thermodynamics model, and the question of how mm-scale waves in solutions of the continuous equations relate to a bicontinuous material with mm-scale structure remains open.
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Is FEniCS widely enough known to name in an abstract without explanation?
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No physically based snow model would neglect vapour transport between snow and the atmosphere in its mass balance. What is commonly neglected is internal vapour transport in the snow (which does not directly influence overall mass balance) and vapour exchange with the soil.
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What value is used for Beta? Calonne et al (2014) describes its measurement as a challenge.
Table 1
Units of vapour pressure are incorrect, and this should be vapour density. Incorrect units for D0. Use scientific notation in place of 2e-5.
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Set vector u in boldface italic.
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Superscripts n and n+1 should be inside the parentheses on the lhs of equation 9.
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could note H = 1 m
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The description in Calonne et al. (2014) is much easier to follow than equation (13): the surface temperature decreases linearly from 273K at t=0 to 263K after 5 hours and then remains constant.
Why is T at z = 1 m only slightly below 270K after 10 hours in Figure 1?
Figure 1 caption
Transient temperature decrease at the boundary, not an increase
Condensation rate would be a more intuitive profile to show in place of “rhs energy eq.”.
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Hansen and Fosllien (2015) envisaged this as a snowpack containing an ice crust. The solid ice at the base of the snowpack was imposed to prevent vapour entering from below.
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No comparison is made with tomography experiments, so why choose such a small snow depth?
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Incorrect units of sigma^2.
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300K snow in Figure 3 is passed without comment. A full snow model (and, indeed, nature) would not permit this.
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Advection of the ice crust by sublimation and deposition was already apparent in Scenario 2.
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Is there a missing ice density in equation 24?
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Deff *is* linear in ice volume fraction for the Calonne model.
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The oscillations at the boundary in Figures 3 and 4 are clearly numerical artefacts and are not the ones of interest in the following. They are reminiscent of instabilities in an unstable numerical solution of the linear advection equation and could be controlled (as actually shown in 6.1).
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What were ne and dt in Figure 4? What is the time in Figure 5? Why are the oscillations on the sublimating side of the crust not apparent in Figures 3 and 4?
Figure 5
Units of dt should be given in the legends.
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Why is this a “nasty coincidence”?
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Vapour density is required
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Error in exponent for a0 value. All of these parameters have units.
Minor corrections:
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“have been used for a long time”
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“revisited the problem”
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Richards equation
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“design”
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“implementation in”
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“PDE system (26)”
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“density modulation in the layer-transition region”
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“a stand-alone solver in the open source software”
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“comes into play”