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https://doi.org/10.5194/tc-19-4391-2025
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the Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 License.SPASS – new gridded climatological snow datasets for Switzerland: potential and limitations
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2025-413', Michael Matiu, 12 Mar 2025
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AR by Christoph Marty on behalf of the Authors (25 Jul 2025)
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Marty et al. present an evaluation of spatially gridded datasets of snow cover over Switzerland, with high spatial resolution (1km) and long duration (60+ years). They evaluate different datasets, with and without assimilation using ground observations using different metrics across elevation, and also compare long-term trends. The manuscript falls well within the topic of TC. It is well written and results are discussed critically, for which I compliment the authors (especially sec 3.4 on limitations is great). However, there are a few issues that remain unclear.
Major points:
The novel contribution of this study with respect to previous studies is not completely clear – from the literature review in the intro it seems that a comparison of the “new” dataset has already been performed (Scherrer et al 2024) and the dataset itself has been created and validated in Michel et al. 2024. Please highlight the differences between the past studies and the current one more clearly, as well as the novelty of this particular study.
I assume one novelty is the elevational analysis and temporal aggregation unit analysis. While the first one is evident and well explained, the second seems very minor to me after reading the paper. First, all of the figures are in the supplement, and often the results are presented as similar across temporal units. Moreover, the motivation behind the different temporal units is not evident. And also why daily was not a temporal unit.
On the other hand, another important factor is seasonality. Did you consider how error metrics vary across the snow season? E.g, if they are constant or increase/decrease towards the end of the season?
While the authors have a great choice of evaluation metrics, including MAAPE, which seems very interesting, there needs to be some consideration of whether the metrics (and the associated figures and statistics) refer to spatial, temporal, or their combined spatiotemporal variability. For example, L176-180 is unclear (and also not really relevant to know computational details like how your array looks like). It would be great if you could identify what the metrics and variability refer to, i.e., where you average over space, time (years or other), or where you show variability across space or time or both. Also the order of calculation matters, so if you first do metrics, then average (e.g., over weeks, or over gridcells), or first average and then do metrics. Less for bias, but significantly for all other metrics. The ordering of calculations is not completely clear from the manuscript.
Minor points:
Abstract is sometimes confusing. It mentions two datasets, named old and new, which remains unclear. My suggestion is to try to make the abstract as self-contained as possible. Also, some numbers would make it less vague.
L40 “many applications”, please provide some examples.
Besides the general intro to snow, the introduction focuses exclusively on the history of gridded snow datasets in Switzerland. Since the topic of spatially gridded snow cover datasets is not trivial and can be tackled (in theory) in multiple ways (stations, remote sensing, modelling), maybe a broader introduction into gridded climate datasets and gridded snow in particular might be useful for readers.
Introduction and Methods are somewhat mixed, since the used models/datasets are presented in the introduction, but then in the method the models/datasets are not described further. I guess there are other studies presenting this in detail, but for completeness, I suggest including a brief summary of the key model characteristics and meteorological input for the different datasets.
L114 some reference would be useful
L135 unclear if for the climatological analysis the reference period was 1991-2020 or 1999-2023.
L151 so relative trend is based on the Theil-Sen slope, but relative to what? Theil-Sen intercept, mean over the whole period, something else?
Sec 2.4 did you compare the difference in trends between CLQM and Comb?
Related, has the meteo input (the temp and precip grids) been tested for homogeneity? Otherwise, I guess the snow trends could reflect input dishomogeneities as well…(ok this comes around L405...)
Sec. 2.5 Since you use relative errors, I guess relative bias would also be interesting? While absolute bias increases with elevation, relative one should decrease, no?
L190 “because HS has been derived from SWE” but this is true for all elevations.
L210 “boxplots consisting of the 25 yearly values” but there more points than this in the boxplots?
Fig 4: very unusual choice for the whiskers to go from 5th to 95th percentile. Why not the standard boxplot variant with 1.5*IQR from the box edges (up to the largest value, if within range)? Also because your choice highlights a lot of “outliers”, which are not really outliers, but continuous variability, in my opinion. One could also do the other standard whiskers that go to min and max.
Fig4 and 5: for bias a line at y=0 would be useful. Or some light background grid lines in all panels.
Fig5: if the focus is on the comparison between CLQM and EKF, it would be useful to show the boxes side-by-side (e.g., with different fill or line colours) and not in separate panels. If the focus is on comparing by elevation, it’s fine like this.
Fig. 6: a polynomial of first degree should be a straight line…
Besides Fig6, is it possible to produce the same figure as Fig5 also for the non-assimilated stations, or put them side-by-side to compare the performance metrics between assimilated and non-assimilated stations?
L278-284 this paragraph feels a bit off in the current section. Or what does it refer to? To all stations assimilated and not? It also contains something on climatology and trends…
Fig7 could you please increase resolution or use vector graphics? It’s not possible to zoom in easily.
Fig9, by chance, do you also have a relative trend figure of this?
Similarly, I guess a relative trend map (Fig10) could also be useful?
L427 unclear, might be resolved with a more detailed method section description
L429 Why not use tmin and tmax instead of tmean? It’s also much more stable over time, considering the 60year period.
L461 please repeat the reasoning from Michel et al. 2024 here, shortly.
Conclusion could be a bit more general. E.g., what are the implications of the results? Can the fairly simple degree-day model be trusted or is the station data maybe more accurate? What are use cases of such a dataset in climatology, hydrology, ...?
Not necessarily for this study but have you considered evaluating the grids with remote sensing? Like with optical-derived snow presence?
PS: Thanks for the review invitation, I had SPASS reading the paper, or Spaß, as we spell it here :)