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The Holocene dynamics of Ryder Glacier and ice tongue in north Greenland
Thomas M. Cronin
Brendan Reilly
Aage Kristian Olsen Alstrup
Laura Gemery
Anna Golub
Larry A. Mayer
Mathieu Morlighem
Matthias Moros
Ole L. Munk
Johan Nilsson
Christof Pearce
Henrieka Detlef
Christian Stranne
Flor Vermassen
Gabriel West
Martin Jakobsson
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RC1: 'Comment on tc-2021-95', Anonymous Referee #1, 30 Apr 2021
This manuscript reports on the Holocene history of the Ryder Glacier and its floating ice tongue that drain into the Sherard Osborn Fjord in north Greenland. Ryder Glaciers floating ice tongue is one of the last of these features which are remnants of a much colder climate period and have persisted despite modern Arctic warming. The past behavior of outlet glaciers buttressed with ice tongues is of interest for predicting the future rate of mass loss and contributions to
sea-level rise. This study uses radiocarbon dated sediment cores (lithofacies, grain size analysis, XRF, MS data) along a transect of the fjord, combined with fjord bathymetry, bedrock geology, subbottom profiles and the glacier limits and glacial stages mapped on land in previous work to reconstruct the dynamics of the Ryder Glacier from the early Holocene to present. The dynamic history encompasses retreat of grounded ice from the fjord mouth with retention of an ice tongue, followed by middle Holocene retreat well inland (ie. 60 km inland) of the modern grounding zone, Neoglacial readvance of the glacier together with an ice tongue and finally expansion of the ice tongue to the outer sill at the fjord mouth in the latest Holocene.
This is a very carefully and thoughtfully written manuscript. The data are of high quality and are well presented. The figures are very professional and effective, and the writing is very clear and concise. It was a pleasure to read the manuscript and I have very little to say to contribute as a critique. The comments I have are presented from beginning to end by line number.
Lines 85 to 90. Can you just say how long the fjord is and how long the ice tongue is? These details can be stated more clearly
Line 88. Instead of sills ‘dissecting’ perhaps say ‘crossing’. I don't think dissecting is quite right.
Line 89. Define what you mean by ‘overdeepened’.
Line 141. Delete ‘that extent’
Line 150. Replace ‘exerting’ with another word…’exhibiting’?
Line 162. Delete ‘a’
Line 167. Replace ‘highly lithified’ with ‘compacted’ or ‘consolidated’. It has not been formed into rock so is not lithified.
Line 214. Delete ‘the’
Line 221. Is the piston core just the ‘reference core’? I don't know why it is called ‘undistorted’. That seems unlikely actually, and the word is not needed.
Line 229 under radiocarbon dating. I suggest you use Cassidulina neoteretis throughout and cite Cage et al., 2021 https://doi.org/10.5194/jm-40-37-2021 which is a paper that clearly shows how to identify C. neoteretis and C. teretis.
Line 230. What benthic foram species were included in the mixed benthics. These appear to be older than the single species dates on C. neoteretis. It is important to present the species dated. If Miliolid species were included in the dated material (e.g. Triloculina or Quinqueloculina) this can explain the too old results. Hopefully the specific contents do the mixed benthic dates was recorded and can be reported here. It is useful information to guide future chronological studies.
Line 260. Neoteretis
Line 266. Delete double s in cores.
Line 271. Is it diamict or diamicton. I think diamicton is correct.
Line 280. Is deformation beneath grounded ice the only way to get deformation? Can this deformation be due to coring or slumping? I am not contesting that the unit is subglacial in origin.
Line 326. Suggest you delete ‘Across Sherard Osborn Fjord’ and just begin the sentence with LU4. Or you could say ‘Throughout Sherard….’
Line 430. Delete one l in Fulford.
Line 480. Not clear what ‘become cut-off from the main fjord’ means. Does it mean the ice retreated onshore?
Line 493. I think this part about how far the ice may have retreated inland is really great and interesting! It is so helpful to be able to define a minimum ice margin.
Lines 515, 525, 565 suggest you refer to Detlef et al., in review which provides important sea ice reconstructions and marine conditions for Petermann Fjord over the same time period. See https://doi.org/10.5194/tc-2021-25
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Matt O'Regan, 24 Jun 2021
The comment was uploaded in the form of a supplement: https://tc.copernicus.org/preprints/tc-2021-95/tc-2021-95-AC1-supplement.pdf
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Matt O'Regan, 24 Jun 2021
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RC2: 'Comment on tc-2021-95', Anonymous Referee #2, 03 May 2021
The manuscript comprises new and interesting information about the Holocene deglaciation history of the Ryder Glacier in North Greenland. A number of marine sediment cores from a transect through the Sherald Osborn Fjord has been analyzed using XRF, CT, bulk density and MS and the chronology has been constrained using 48 14C dates. Overall the manuscript is well-written and the scientific outcome is definitely suitable for publication in Cryosphere after minor revision.
I have a few general comments that could be addresses besides some more technical comments that are easy to implement.
General comments:
0) It doesn’t really make sense to use uncalibrated 14C ages in the Geological Setting. I suggest that the existing radiocarbon dates from Kelly and Bennike (1992) should be re-calibrated using Marine20 and the same deltaR as the new marine cores.
1) The result section is a mixture of descriptions and interpretations. Example line: 287-288, 299-300, 308-309, 317, 324, 336-338. I suggest to clearly divide the result section into two separate sub-sections: description followed by interpretation. This will allow the ready to assess the data and follow the logic in the interpretations.
2) Figure 5 offers a great summary of the most important data. It would be really nice to compliment the figure with the CT scans from the suppl. material or the high-resolution picture from the XRF scanner. It is really a pity that the CT scans are hidden in the suppl. material.
3) The way the age of the individual units has been constrained differ from most studies as it uses the min. and max. ages from each unit to define the age range. However, as the radiocarbon dates are not always placed optimally at the boundaries between units this makes it difficult to compare the age ranges of the units between the different cores. I suggest that an age-depth model for each sediment core is produced. This would make it possible to determine the age at the boundaries (with an uncertainty) and also allow for a figure to be made where the proxy data (from figure 5) is plotted on an age scale. This is standard procedure and it would make a great supplement to the discussion section 5.2-5.4.
4) It is clear that the most challenging unit to interpret is the diamictic unit 3. The unit differs from most other units which are laminated. It only resembles unit 6 the lowermost unit which is interpreted as subglacial till. However, the authors prefer an alternative explanation where unit 3 represents massive IRD deposition during a period where the ice front is most retracted. They also discuss other possibilities but find them less likely. I am not completely convinced but agree that it is difficult the interpretation of unit 3 is not straight forward. I wonder if unit 4 instead could represent the period where RG is most retracted and that unit 3 represents the phase where it begins to readvance sending icebergs (IRD) into Sherard Osborn Fjord again. If correct, the onset of readvance is c. 6 cal ka BP which coincides with the general cooling trend in the Agassiz ice core record.
Technical comments:
Line 20: Change to Greenland Ice Sheet
Figure 1: Add Gl. for glacier after Humboldt, Petermann etc. Also add Ice Sheet after Greenland.
Line 43: Change to Greenland Ice Sheet
Line 61: Change to Last Glacial Maximum
Line 66: Change to Möller
Line 75: Add glaciers after Petermann
Line 75: Change to Nioghalvfjerdsfjord Glacier
Line 110: Change to north Greenland
Line 118: 9390+-90 date is not in table 1
Table 1: Combine with Table and calibrate the old ages with Marine20.
Line 127: Delete cal a BP after >9.5
Line 129: Mark the ice-dammed lake on the map.
Line 131: Are the dated shells reworked into the moraine?
Line 136: Change to Ryder Glacier
Table 2: Could be moved to suppl. material.
Figure 4: Is not showing much and could be moved to suppl. material.
Line 167-168: Change lithified to compacted.
Table 3: 13C is missing for sample 26.
Line 268: Delete glacial after Holocene
Line 271: Change through to and
Figure 5:
On 10-GC the 2450 date seems to be within unit 3 but it is marked as unit 2 in figure 8?
On 7-PC the date 7090 seems to be an outlier but it is not marked with red. Also, what is the square next to 7090 representing?
Why is the last date in core 8-PC/GC an outlier?
Figure 8: I don’t understand why the 14C dates in this plot have a normal distribution? Also see general comment 3.
Table 4: Not important and can be omitted if the age depth models as suggested in general comment 3 will be made.
Line 393: Change to Northern Hemisphere
Figure 9: Really nice illustration – are the radiocarbon ages from Ellesmere re-calibrated?
Line 419: Change to Möller
Line 423: Add cal ka BP after 12.5
Line 430: Delete one l in Fullford
Line 435: Change to GrIS
Figure 10. Again, a really great illustration. Could you add the locations of the Warming Land and Kap Fulford Stades on the figure?
Line 466: It is stated that …LU3 range from 6.3 to 3.9 cal ka BP. However, the upper part of unit 3 in 10-GC is 2450 14C a BP. Why is this date omitted in the summary?
Line 508-510: Temperatures were not 2.5-4ºC warmer until 6.2-6 ka. They were still high but the peak warmth occurred in the beginning of the Early Holocene and was insolation driven.
Line 517: Zekollari models suggest that at least part of the Hans Tausen ice cap survived the HTM.
Line 520: Change to: Middle Holocene
Line 521: Change to: GrIS
Figure 11: Again, a great illustration. Maybe consider changing the white color of the modern ice limit to red. It would also be great to get the Kap Fuldford and Warming Land moraines on the maps.
Line 540: or 2450 14C a BP? See comment Line 466.
Line 564: Change to Funder et al., 2011
Line 585: north Greenland
Line 600: Søndergaard et al (2020) have published a paper in Climate of the Past on the deglaciation on Inglefield Land, Smith Sound and nares Strait that would fit into the discussion.
Line 601: Can the differences in fjord physiography play a role in the different timing of retreat between Petermann and Ryder glaciers? Sherard Osborn Fjord is deeper and potentially more susceptible to dynamic ice retreat compared to the shallower Petermann fjord.
Line 650: Change to: Late Holocene
- AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Matt O'Regan, 24 Jun 2021
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EC1: 'Comment on tc-2021-95', Chris R. Stokes, 27 May 2021
I'd like to thank both referees for their timely and constructive reviews of this manuscript. It is clear that both would like to see this work published subject to a moderate number of issues being addressed and I would very much like to encourage the authors to respond and revise their manuscript.
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AC3: 'Reply on EC1', Matt O'Regan, 24 Jun 2021
Dear Prof. Stokes,
We have responded to the reviewers comments, and have begun revising the manuscript accordingly.
We have tried to address all of the reviewers comments and incorporate their suggestions for improving the manuscript. The one suggestion that we did not 100% adhere to concerned the development of individual age models for each core. As we outline in our response letter, we prefer to continue identifying a 'maximum' depositional age based on the existing dates we have. In our view, 'age modelling' at this point will not help reduce the uncertainties in the lithologic unit ages. We hope that ongoing work will help constrain the regional dR and provide additional age control to help with age modelling in the near future. We are happy to discuss this more with you and Reviewer 2 if it remains a concern.
Sincerely,
Matt O'Regan and co-authors
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AC3: 'Reply on EC1', Matt O'Regan, 24 Jun 2021