Articles | Volume 20, issue 2
https://doi.org/10.5194/tc-20-1315-2026
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Simulating snow properties and Ku-band backscatter across the forest-tundra ecotone
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- Final revised paper (published on 23 Feb 2026)
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2025-1498', Anonymous Referee #1, 13 Jun 2025
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- AC2: 'Please see our response in the pdf supplement.', Georgina Woolley, 23 Oct 2025
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ED: Publish subject to revisions (further review by editor and referees) (31 Oct 2025) by S. McKenzie Skiles
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General
The study compares simulated snow parameters using SVS2-Crocus to in situ measurements at a study area in the NWT, Canada. Two versions of the model are applied; the default model and an Arctic-specific modification. Several locations with differing vegetation and snow conditions are analyzed. Furthermore, a forward model is used to simulate microwave backscatter from SVS2-Crocus outputs, comparing these to backscatter simulations using the in situ data directly. A microwave-effective snowpack concept, which aggregates the data to three representative layers, is used. The paper is of interest to the scientific community as it has become clear that some type of fusion of modelled and remote sensing information is required for successful retrieval of SWE from spaceborne radar. This concerns, in particular, approaches using Ku-band SAR backscatter. This paper takes some steps to attempt to quantify how an advanced coupled land-surface -snow process model reproduces natural snowpacks in a challenging environment, and what are the implications on (simulated) backscatter. As such, the study is worthy to consider for publication.
The study is also generally well written although some specifics in the methodology are hard to grasp and require several readings. For example, from the abstract it was not at first obvious that actual observations of backscatter are not used, only simulations. Furthermore, it is hard to discern where exactly the three layer aggregates (radar equivalent snowpack) where used: in simulations based on SVS2-Crocus, in simulations from snowpit data, or perhaps both? Terminology referring to the sites also changes occasionally, sometimes referring to the biome (tundra, forest), sometimes to the names defined in Figure 1. These are the main examples, but the complexity of the diverse model settings makes the paper somewhat hard to follow and requires particular care in describing the experimental setups.
My main concern, however, is related to the usefulness of the backscatter simulation setup itself. The SMRT model is treated as a black box, testing which kind of numbers come out with each version of the input data. It seems that the pit data forcing is used as the “truth”, with SVS2-Crocus -based simulations representing deviations (“errors”) from this. No real effort is placed on which parameters actually induce these differences, beyond testing different approaches for tuning the optical grain size/SSA. Since the study is based on only simulated backscatter, one could expect a thorough sensitivity study on different parameters, or something similar. Perhaps using the 120 ensemble members in SVS2-Crocus makes this a challenge; however, you could then consider dropping the ensemble approach, and use individual, controlled simulations?
Further, some confusion is created by first choosing to fix a scaling parameter in the forward model (the polydispersity factor K) at unity, only to re-introduce another scaling parameter with basically the same end result, as adjusting K would have had. I realized only after some time that the idea is to try to scale the SVS2-Crocus SSA to observations; however, the choice of the scaling factors tested seems arbitrary. Of some interest could be to try to derive your own optimal scaling for 1) SSA 2) density 3) possibly another parameter, such as snow depth, and with the (average) optical scaling reconduct the simulation exercise.
Please see major comments below for specifics.
Major comments
Throughout the paper, please choose which name you use when referring to sites. Now, sometimes “forested sites” and “tundra” are used, sometimes “Havikpak” etc. You could also use always both to be explicit e.g. “Upper plateau (tundra)”
I also fail to see why the scaling factor of 0.63 derived in a paper from 2011 could be relevant. I would suggest another approach: 1) derive your optimal scaling factors required to match SVS2-Crocus to field data 2) do this at least for SSA, density and snow depth 3) analyze which is the most important factor to scale (which has the largest impact) for each surface type. As an optimal case, you could test scaling all three+ parameters to match the field data, and see how much RMSD remains from variability in the ensembles.
Again, it is not clear to which data the n-layer -> 3-layer conversion is applied. Apparently to SVS2-Crocus at least, but is it applied to field data as well? Or are filed data always simulated “as is”?
Whole section 4.0 on results. It is quite tedious to read endless RMSE values in the text, and the point is quickly lost. This really gets out of hand e.g. on p. 16. Please tabulate the results, refer in the text to the tables, highlighting only the most important results.
It is also not clear against which SD data the RMSEs are calculated against. Magnaprobe, pit, or both?
Same question as above for SWE. are the RMSEs against Pit or SWE Tube values?
For density, can you not calculate a reference value from SWE tubes? Do you have the snow depth from the SWE core site recorded?
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