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https://doi.org/10.5194/tc-19-6261-2025
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Surface nuclear magnetic resonance for studying an englacial channel on Rhonegletscher (Switzerland): possibilities and limitations in a high-noise environment
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The authors present a feasibility study for using SNMR to detect an englacial channel at the Rhonegletscher. The study focuses on the challenges encountered in a low signal, high noise environment and how to still image an englacial channel. The approach uses a grid search of different glacialw water content models to try and fit the acquired data. The results are compared against a Ground penetrating radar (GPR) survey and show consistency between the two methods.
My comments relate mostly to the noise estimation and how the grid search is performed. It is mentioned that the average noise level is 70 nV for most pulse moments (P.12 L.268), but inspecting Figure 7, the largest error bar found here is ~18nV wide. In this figure, we see the forwarded data from three model scenarios having difficulties fitting the observed data within error bars. From one pulse moment to the next, the signal amplitude doubles and then drops by 35%, a difference way larger than the assigned error bars. Is the difficulty in fitting this data a product of the simplified model scenario, or could it be a product of underestimating the uncertainty affecting the initial values?
Even with Equation 4 (P.9 L200), it is still unclear to me how the mean noise of 70nV becomes maximum 17nV in uncertainty on the model parameter e0. Please clarify.
In Figure 8b, the misfit for the models with a varying aquifer depth is shown. But unlike 8a, it seems it has not yet reached the lowest misfit, i.e., maybe an aquifer depth of 62m would be a better fit. Were the ranges chosen on previously acquired data (GPR)? If not, perhaps increasing the range here could reveal a similar parabola shape, like the one in Figure 8a.
These results of aquifer depth are later discussed (P.18 L. 359-361) as broadly consistent with the GPR profile which finds a channel at 40m. But the lowest misfit for the SNMR was with a channel at 59m depth.
The RNC possibly distorting the signal up to 27nV is quite concerning since it is >25% of the maximum initial value seen (Figure 7). This is addressed in the conclusion, but only after stating that the RNC was the most crucial step in increasing S/N. Perhaps a more combined conclusion on RNC could highlight the usefulness and the issues with this approach.
Additionally, since a noise record has been recorded, would it be possible to use RNC on the noise only data and examine if the transfer functions are different? If they are different, it might be a sign of signal being distorted.
When assuming 100% water it vastly reduces the aquifer thicknesses found fitting data within the threshold. But is the instrument capable of resolving a <1m thick layer at 40m to 60m depth? Perhaps add some discussion on whether this is feasible given the selected pulse moments and loop dimensions.
A question about the englacial channel. I assume the water flowing within this channel, if so, how quickly? It might reduce the signal amplitude and should be discussed if appropriate.
Minor comments:
P.5 L.108: The 16th q was not completed. Could this have helped constrain the aquifer depth in Figure 8 by increasing the depth of investigation?
P. 11 L.242: Indicate the abbreviation, i.e., “both the coincident(coi)- and separate(sep)-loop data…”
P.12 L.261: The peaks at -20Hz are not seen in noise only spectrum in Figure 5b. Are these harmonics or related to transmitting at high pulse moments? And what harmonics do you expect at this frequency?
Figure 6a: Is it expected that the separate and coincident coil shows very different initial values? Is the water content lower here or is it mainly a product of less excitation?
Figure 8: Layout of figure is a bit confusing having the upper panel be (a),(b),(e), and the lower panel being (c),(d),(f). Perhaps consider three rows with a,b and c,d and lastly e,f..
Figure 9: Consider marking the maximum observed dimension of the englacial channel according to Church et al., 2021, if feasible.
P20. L.426: a space missing between “,accumulate”
P.21 L. 464: A year is missing on the Ogier et al. reference.