Articles | Volume 19, issue 11
https://doi.org/10.5194/tc-19-6059-2025
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SnoTATOS: a low-cost, autonomous system for distributed snow depth measurements on sea ice
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- Final revised paper (published on 21 Nov 2025)
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AR by Ian Raphael on behalf of the Authors (22 Jul 2025)
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In this manuscript, the authors describe the design, validation, and deployment, of a low cost system for making distributed snow depth measurements. I have been working on similar systems that follows a similar design strategy, though the components for snow depth measurements are still a work in progress - congratulations to the authors on being first with a formal preprint and hopefully soon paper on this topic! I think that this is a very interesting and well done work, that it will be very useful to the community. Therefore, I am generally very enthusiastic of the work and supportive of publication. I have a few minor comments that I would like the authors to consider, and I think that, once these are addressed, this work should be ready for publication.
- I think that the introduction is interesting and well written. A couple of possible points to strengthen the claims for the value of these measurements. i) These measurements are very useful together with temperature profile measurements, since, as the authors point, the snow is an effective thermal isolation, so that it plays a large role in the temperature profiles obtained. The discussion on this aspect could be slightly extended. ii) there can be significant levels of snow accumulation, which is also adding a "perturbation" to some other measurements. For example, a 1m, or 1.5m, or 2m temperature and / or wind measurement is not any longer done at the same initial height if either 30cm of snow fall, or 30 cm of snow melt, or snow + ice melt takes place. Therefore, having good data on this aspect is also helpful for the accuracy of other kinds of measurements.
- The discussion about the cost savings and methodology are well presented. A couple of additions on this aspect that the authors can consider. Now, the SIMB3 buoy is the key expensive component and may be a major cost driver. Note that it is possible to build also low cost "main instruments", and that using for example iridium modems has become much easier: see, for example, the developments that are happening in the "small buoys" field in several groups around the world: e.g., https://doi.org/10.1016/j.coldregions.2019.102955 , https://doi.org/10.3390/geosciences12030110 , https://doi.org/10.1080/21664250.2023.2249243 , https://doi.org/10.1080/21664250.2023.2283325 , as also reviewed in e.g. https://doi.org/10.48550/arXiv.2410.07813 , and possibly additional similar developments that I may not be aware of. I know (from my own work) that it is easy to interface such solutions with a LoRa modem and / or microcontroller. This means that a further large cost saving could be obtained by also reworking the SIMB3 solution, substituting it by a low cost buoy similar to the ones discussed above. Given the cost of the SIMB3 buoy, this may allow to further drastically reduce the total cost of the system, and allow true larger scale deployment.
- The authors use a MCU (AVR family) + a LoRa modem. Naturally, this is perfectly fine. But I would like to recommend to the authors to consider solutions such as the STM32WL family of MCUs for their future work, that combine the MCU (actually, a significanlty more recent, more power effective, and more powerful one than the "old" 8bit AVR one used here) and the LoRa modem, on a single chip. Having worked both with solutions involving MCU + Lora modem, and solutions involving the integrated STL32WL chip, I can warmly recommend the second one - it is just overall more robust, lower cost, and better to work with; in addition, the stm32duino library support is excellent. But naturally, this is only a minor technical recommendation that the authors may or may not follow in their future design - this is just a minor tips from my experience working with similar solutions.
- The choice of the power solution (NiMh batteries) is interesting and a bit surprising to me. Again, "if it works it works", and I do not ask the authors to do any additional work, so this is not a criticism, just sharing my experience. One usually gets significantly better energy density and performance in the cold using primary, non rechargeable Li batteries, such as (there are other suppliers too selling similar batteries) Saft LSH20 or Saft LS33600 batteries (these are also available in different form factors and capacities), depending on the peak power requirement. In the case when no solar panel is attached to the small modules, and they should survive low temperatures (both of which seem to be the case here), this can be an interesting solution to consider in the future.
- It would be useful to gather all the power consumption data also in a table, and not have these only in the text - this is easier to read for technical people interested in getting a quick overview of the technical facts.
- The system is described in quite some details, and the main lesson I "take home" is that i) this works reliably, ii) the sensor suggested is probably a good choice (I have been looking at another sensor, but I will investigate this one too in the future). With this information, it will be easy for me to build my own system that is very similar to this one. However, there is no reason to redundantly repeat work across groups. Therefore, my question: it does not seem like you are offering this as an open source project? Would you be able to do so, and to provide mechanical and electrical CAD files and source code on for example a github repository or similar, together with detailed assembly and programming instructions? This would increase a lot the impact of your work and save time and money to the community as a whole.
Apart from these minor points, I think that the study is very well done and reported, and I have no major comments.