Articles | Volume 19, issue 10
https://doi.org/10.5194/tc-19-4989-2025
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Thermokarst lakes disturb the permafrost structure and stimulate through-talik formation in the Qinghai–Tibet Plateau, China: a hydrogeophysical investigation
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- Final revised paper (published on 23 Oct 2025)
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2025-864', Anonymous Referee #1, 03 Apr 2025
- AC2: 'Reply on RC1', Xianmin Ke, 20 May 2025
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2025-864', Anonymous Referee #2, 06 Apr 2025
- AC1: 'Reply on RC2', Xianmin Ke, 20 May 2025
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RC3: 'Comment on egusphere-2025-864', Anonymous Referee #3, 08 Apr 2025
- AC3: 'Reply on RC3', Xianmin Ke, 20 May 2025
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ED: Reconsider after major revisions (further review by editor and referees) (05 Jun 2025) by Sebastian Uhlemann
AR by Xianmin Ke on behalf of the Authors (11 Jul 2025)
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ED: Referee Nomination & Report Request started (21 Jul 2025) by Sebastian Uhlemann
RR by Anonymous Referee #2 (23 Jul 2025)
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ED: Publish subject to minor revisions (review by editor) (27 Aug 2025) by Sebastian Uhlemann
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ED: Publish as is (19 Sep 2025) by Sebastian Uhlemann
AR by Xianmin Ke on behalf of the Authors (20 Sep 2025)
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This is a review of the manuscript titled “Thermokarst lakes disturb the permafrost structure and stimulate through-talik formation in the Qinghai–Tibet Plateau, China: A hydrogeophysical investigation” by X. Ke et al. This manuscript details an investigation primarily focused on geophysical measurements related to permafrost properties around lakes in the Qinghai Tibet Plateau. The main objective is to characterize permafrost structure and the morphology of sublake taliks using direct current electrical measurements and time-domain electromagnetic measurements of permafrost electrical properties. Overall, the text is written clearly and English usage is good. The manuscript lacks a clearly articulated science question, and therefore it is challenging to determine if the main objective of the research was achieved. Additionally, concerns are raised below about geophysical data acquisition, processing, and presentation – while it is not clear that there are detrimental issues with the methods at this point, insufficient information was provided to fully evaluate these issues.
Specific Comments:
The research question remains unclear. In the manuscript, I was unable to locate the word “question” nor any use of a question mark “?” – a question has not been posed here, and therefore it is difficult to determine if they authors have answered the research question. Furthermore, there is no evidence of a hypothesis that is stated or tested.
Line 151: The measurement parameters for TEM are confusing. The authors state that a 40,000 m^2 loop was used for transmitting, however this is an unusually large loop size for such shallow measurements. Typical loop areas for TEM within the top 400 m would be in the range of 1,600 m^2 to 10,000 m^2 (the vast majority being towards the lower end of this range). I was unable to retrieve any information from the manufacturer about this instrument to confirm if 40,000 m^2 is indeed correct, and if so, why such a large loop size would be used in shallow investigations (in the context of TEM, I consider anything <200 m to be a shallow target).
Line 158: The use of the approach in Constable et al 1987 is acceptable, however the authors do not reference (either in the manuscript or supplement) which codebase or commercial software was used for the inversions. If the authors created their own implementation of the inversion detailed in Constable et al 1987, I would encourage them to share the codebase in accordance with open data policies and benchmarks should be provided to demonstrate that their code produces consistent results with existing free and paid software that is available. Furthermore, key data pre-processing details are omitted.
I appreciate that the measured and modeled TEM data are provided in Figure 6 (the same should be done for pseudosections of the ERT data), however these figures seem to reveal that much of the apparent electrical structure has not been fit during the modeling. This is evidenced by the spread of the data and non-linearity of the relationships shown in Figure 5 particularly (but also in Figure 6). In conjunction with the sparse information on TEM pre-processing and inversion make me concerned about the reliability of the TEM results.
Line 190: The method to calculate the maximum detection depth is not stated.
Line 193: “lack of borehole temperature measurements” I don’t understand this, ground temperature to >50 m is presented in figure 3, and can easily be modeled to greater depths. Temperature correction should be considered for all geoelectrical images given that large temperature gradients may be present in the subsurface (e.g., Figure 3), particularly within the top 5-10 meters.
Line 324: How was ALT interpreted from this image? It is unwise, if not impossible, to reliably interpret ALT from ERT data because 1) at any reasonable electrode spacing, the ALT will be too close to the surface to image because the layer thickness is ~1x – 4x the electrode spacing and may only occupy 1 or 2 vertical elements in the mesh, and 2) ERT images are inherently smooth and do a poor job of resolving sharp interfaces such as encountered at the ALT.
Section 3.3: What is the purpose of this section? It does not appear to play a role in the Discussion section (i.e., Figure 9 is not referenced in the discussion, nor are observations from GTM explicitly discussed in the context of the geophysical measurements and previous research), and if not, why is it included? Presumably the authors would want to consider all of their presented work in the context of other results.
Section 3.4 may be better suited for the Discussion section, and if moved, should be augmented with appropriate references.
Figure 1: It is unacceptable to have the tomograms on different color scales because it makes unbiased interpretation impossible. Each tomogram in this figure must be presented on the same colorscale. Also, I suggest considering the current consensus on colormaps for the presentation of scientific results, and pick one that is more accessible: Crameri, F., Shephard, G. E., & Heron, P. J. (2020). The misuse of colour in science communication. Nature communications, 11(1), 5444.