Articles | Volume 19, issue 10
https://doi.org/10.5194/tc-19-4875-2025
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How to reduce sampling errors in spaceborne cloud radar-based snowfall estimates
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- Final revised paper (published on 22 Oct 2025)
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2024-1917', Anonymous Referee #1, 22 Nov 2024
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ED: Publish subject to revisions (further review by editor and referees) (17 Feb 2025) by Carrie Vuyovich
AR by Filippo Emilio Scarsi on behalf of the Authors (21 Apr 2025)
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The article evaluates the potential of the ESA Earth Explorer 11 candidate mission, WIVERN (WInd VElocity Radar Nephoscope), to improve snowfall measurements compared to CloudSat. Using simulations based on ERA5 reanalysis data, it compares the performance of the two radar systems. WIVERN's conically scanning geometry and wide swath coverage significantly reduce sampling errors, providing higher temporal and spatial resolution snowfall estimates. While CloudSat provides reliable estimates only at large spatial and temporal scales (e.g., annual zonal averages), WIVERN achieves reliable measurements at finer scales (e.g., 0.5° x 0.5° grid for 10-day intervals). The study identifies the main sources of error, including sampling errors, radar sensitivity, and uncertainties in the reflectivity-snowfall relationship, and demonstrates WIVERN's superior performance in capturing snowfall variability, particularly in polar regions.
The paper effectively sets out to compare WIVERN and CloudSat and provides a clear methodology using ERA5 data. However, there are several points that need to be addressed before the publication and I recommend a major revision due to some issues in the methodology.
Major points
The paper highlights WIVERN's superior sampling capabilities, but the interpretation of regional results (e.g., Antarctic basins) could benefit from more detailed discussion. For example, if the temporal resolution WIVERN offers is crucial for mass balance studies in these regions.
While figures support the findings, some lack detailed captions or sufficient detail to differentiate WIVERN and CloudSat results effectively. Explaining key trends (e.g., differences in RMSE across snowfall classes) in the text accompanying each figure would improve clarity.
While the article touches on potential future research directions, it does not fully address the limitations of the current analysis (e.g., assumptions about the unbiased nature of the reflectivity-snowfall relationship). Adding this discussion would provide balance.
The methodology for computing error statistics (e.g., RMSE, Absolute Bias) appears to be based on instantaneous measurements, i.e., snowfall rates derived from ERA5 at specific times corresponding to satellite overpasses, with modifications to account for uncertainties in the Z-S relationship. If this interpretation is correct, the resulting error distribution will follow a Gaussian distribution with zero mean (assuming unbiased error) and a standard deviation equal to the uncertainty in the Z-S relationship. Consequently, the RMSE decreases as 1/sqrt(N) by definition due to increased sampling, but this approach does not directly assess how sampling impacts the derived climatology. To evaluate the sampling's effect on climatological estimates, a different approach should be considered:
This approach would more accurately quantify the impact of sampling on the derived climatology, as it evaluates errors at the monthly scale rather than relying solely on instantaneous measurements.
The article primarily focuses on snowfall estimation over land, which is critical for ice sheet mass balance studies. However, the introduction gives a misleading impression that WIVERN will observe more shallow snowfall events than CloudSat. While this may hold true over open oceans due to reduced surface clutter at slanted incidence angles, it is not the case over land or sea ice. This distinction is crucial and should be clarified to avoid overestimating WIVERN's capabilities in these contexts. Addressing this limitation upfront would align reader expectations with the radar’s realistic performance in various environments.
Figure 4 presents complex data, and the description lacks sufficient detail to make it accessible to readers. Key concepts, such as the definition of accumulation classes, need clarification. For instance:
Although the concept behind the figure is straightforward, the lack of a detailed explanation makes it harder to follow. Additionally, referencing the central limit theorem (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_limit_theorem) could greatly simplify the discussion. The explanation could say that the PDF being sampled is the ERA5 hourly snowfall product for each pixel separately, and the difference in sampling (WIVERN with n1 samples vs. CloudSat with n2, where n2<n1) leads to RMSE convergence as std(snow rate)/sqrt(n) when n is large. This statistical insight could make the sampling error analysis more intuitive. As the domain size or sampling time window grows the value of n grows too and RMSE decreases. The RMSE will be additionally inflated by the S-Z relationship uncertainty but this will affect both instruments in the same way as n gets larger.
To provide a complete assessment, the paper should include an analysis of how ground clutter affects snowfall statistics for both WIVERN and CloudSat. Currently, this aspect is not addressed, which leaves a significant gap in understanding the limitations of these radar systems. While deriving these statistics directly from ERA5 data would be ideal, it would require extensive effort to analyse the vertically resolved precipitation product. A practical alternative would be to use statistics from the DAR-DAR (Radar-Lidar) A-train product. By deriving a 2D PDF of surface precipitation rate versus cloud top height, the authors could simulate the probability of an event being captured by both radars. This could be done by randomly sampling from the derived PDF. Events with weather system tops falling below the clutter height should have their precipitation set to zero, similar to the treatment in the radar sensitivity discussion. This approach would provide an insightful comparison of WIVERN and CloudSat performance, accounting for ground clutter effects. Obviously, it would not account for processes below the ground clutter height but it will provide a more comprehensive picture of radar limitations in snowfall detection.
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