Articles | Volume 18, issue 8
https://doi.org/10.5194/tc-18-3685-2024
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Novel approach to estimate the water isotope diffusion length in deep ice cores with an application to Marine Isotope Stage 19 in the Dome C ice core
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- Final revised paper (published on 20 Aug 2024)
- Preprint (discussion started on 07 Dec 2023)
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-2549', Christian Holme, 27 Feb 2024
- AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Fyntan Shaw, 27 May 2024
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-2549', Anonymous Referee #2, 20 Apr 2024
- AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Fyntan Shaw, 27 May 2024
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ED: Publish subject to revisions (further review by editor and referees) (04 Jun 2024) by Carlos Martin
AR by Fyntan Shaw on behalf of the Authors (10 Jun 2024)
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ED: Publish as is (04 Jul 2024) by Carlos Martin
AR by Fyntan Shaw on behalf of the Authors (12 Jul 2024)
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The paper presents a novel technique that aims to solve an intrinsic challenge existent when unravelling paleo-climate data from deep ice cores. The paper is well-written and structured, the research is original, and the conclusion provides a promising outlook in the journey towards restoring paleo-climate data from the oldest ice. I therefore recommend this paper for publication in The Cryosphere after some minor revisions have been addressed.
My primary concern is that it is unclear to me why the method described in Sec. 3.1 returns the P0(f) relation that can be used in deep ice diffusion estimates. As the authors also write on line 103, P0(f) is the PSD of the isotopic profile before diffusion. They then proceed to use ice core sections with ages more than 10 kyr which at a minimum have been subjected to firn diffusion which must have altered the initial signal. They argue that the time horizon that they assess is unaffected by firn diffusion, but firn diffusion has completed its alteration of a deposited snow layer within 70-200 years (Johnsen et al., 2000). So, I recommend the authors to extend their argumentation to include why firn diffusion is negligible/irrelevant to their P0(f) estimation methodology.
It is also unclear to me whether they calculate the diffusion lengths estimate on a time or depth basis. The text and figures indicate it is on a time domain but the tables and presented values are depth-domain estimates. Moreover, if the authors take a time-domain approach, then there are some complications that they have not covered. For instance, there is an inherent uncertainty associated with an ice core chronology that is not accounted for in time scale estimates. This makes time-domain diffusion length estimates more uncertain that depth-domain estimates. This can be accounted for in the PSD estimation, and I would expect that the Bayesian framework that the authors are adopting are suitable to handle such uncertainties. So, I’d encourage the authors to (1) clarify what types of diffusion length estimates that they are calculating, and (2) consider implementing chronology uncertainties in the methodology in case they estimate time-dependent P0(f) and diffusion length estimates, and (3) that they specify the conversion factors from time-dependent diffusion length estimates to the depth-dependent estimates that are presented in the table.
Finally, I suggest that the authors define what types of diffusion lengths that they refer to throughout the paper. Are they PSD-estimated, firn diffusion lengths, ice-equivalent diffusion lengths, etc.? There are occasionally references to modelling output estimates or other studies (e.g., lines 49-51), and it will help the reader to ensure that the same metric is being used when they compare magnitudes of diffusion.
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