Subglacial hydrology modulates basal sliding response of the Antarctic ice sheet to climate forcing
Elise Kazmierczak et al.
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RC1: 'Comment on tc-2022-53', Samuel Cook, 31 Mar 2022
Review of Kazmierczak et al. (2022) ‘Subglacial hydrology modulates basal sliding response of the Antarctic ice sheet to climate forcing’
General comments
The paper is a well-written investigation into the the respective effects of exponents in the sliding law versus those of coupling with (simple) subglacial hydrological models on the evolution of the Antarctic Ice Sheet up until 2100. It tests four sliding-law exponents (m=1,2,3,5) and four different subglacial hydrology approaches, as well as a no-hydrology approach, across two extreme forcing scenarios and three realistic forcing scenarios. The authors conclude that, at the ice-sheet-wide scale, the exponent in the sliding law has a larger impact than the choice of subglacial hydrology model; this choice only modulates the eventual mass loss value up and down slightly. At a basin level, however, this finding is less evident.
Overall, I think the paper is well-written and logically structured, as well as being sound science. The figures are well-presented and clear. I do, however, have a couple of reservations that I would like to see addressed before recommending the paper for publication, which I detail below. Specifically, I question the values of some parameters, and the relationship between the presented results and conclusions.
Specific comments
I have two areas of specific concern with the paper that I feel may need some improvement before publication:
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The choice of the maximum saturated till layer thickness parameter. This parameter is shown in the results section to be of considerable importance in the behaviour of the ice sheet in the TIL scenario (and this is discussed towards the end of the discussion section), yet the choice of 2 m as the value used is never justified or referenced. If it is a value that has been taken from the literature, please include appropriate references; if not, please justify why this value was chosen (sensitivity tests, model stability, …). I suspect that, ultimately, it will not make a huge difference to the conclusions of the paper, but I feel this aspect needs to be better explained.
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The link between the presented results and conclusions. The authors conclude that the choice of the sliding law exponent is of much greater importance at the ice-sheet scale than the choice of the subglacial hydrology model in determining the evolution of the ice sheet. I agree that this is strongly supported by the results from the extreme-forcing scenarios (ABUK and ABUM), but this does not seem to be the case for the ISMIP6 experiments (compare, for example, Figure 5 with Figures 6-8), where the subglacial hydrology seems to be at least as important, if not more so, than the sliding law exponent (the range, for a given exponent, between the mass-loss values for the different subglacial hydrology models looks to be equal to or greater than the range for different exponent values for a given subglacial hydrology model). The lack of a clear relationship at the basin scale is noted and discussed, but not at the ice-sheet-wide scale. I feel therefore that the discussion could benefit from an additional paragraph addressing this contrast between the extreme- and realistic-forcing scenarios, along with a modification of the abstract and conclusion to acknowledge this.
Technical comments
- p.1,l.3: ‘classic’ for ‘classical’
- p.1,l.5: ‘the above’ for ‘above’
- p.1,l.5: remove ‘i.e.’ and replace with a colon
- p.1,l.8: the sensitivity of the ice sheet in what sense? You make it clear at the end of the sentence, but it might be worth adding ‘to climatic forcing’ or something similar here to clarify things a little.
- p.1,l.10 ‘modulate’ not ‘modulates’
- p.1,l.11: an increased sensitivity of what to what? Again, it’s fairly obvious you mean of the ice sheet to climatic forcing, but it bears restating, especially here in the abstract, just so it’s really clear.
- p.1,l.14: ‘store’ for ‘storage’
- p.1,l.15: ‘from’, not ‘of’
- p.1,l.23: ‘laws’
- p.1,l.24: delete the second occurrence of ‘conditions’
- p.2,l.25: the sensitivity of ice-sheet flow to what?
- p.2,l.29-30: replace the ‘either...or...’ phrasing with a ‘both...and…’ one
- p.2,l.36: ‘the spatial and temporal scale’
- p.2,l.40-41: replace ‘and to gauge’ with ‘nor the gauging of’
- Table 1: You refer to Cd here for the till drainage rate, but then talk about Ct later in Section 2.1.4. Pick one and make it consistent across the table and the text.
- p.8,l.164-165: Is the historical run sufficient as a relaxation run? I think it would be good to include a sentence here justifying why you don’t need to do an actual relaxation run (or to change the phrasing, because it sounds very casual at the moment – something like ‘and thus also serves as a relaxation run’ would sound better)
- p.8,l.165: replace ‘i.e’ with a colon
- p.13,l.223-224: This description of Fig. 6 is a little confusing. The NON model run (i.e. no subglacial hydrology coupling) shows zero mass loss or a slight gain, but most of the model runs with some form of subglacial hydrology show near-zero or a slight mass loss, contrary to what the text says. I think you may have meant ‘without’ rather than ‘with’ in l.223, but, even then, the text would give the impression that mass gain is the rule, rather than the exception. I’d suggest re-wording this description slightly to make things clearer.
- p.15,l.254: I’d replace ‘is more uncertain in altering’ with ‘has a more uncertain effect on’. I would also add, at the end, ‘than is seen at an ice-sheet level’
- Figure 10 caption: ‘Line colors’ for ‘Lines color’
- Figure 10: what are the red lines on the two left-most panels (are they GL position, but, if so, why are there none on the two middle panels?)
- Figure 10: make it clear that the Schoof runs are the runs presented in the results section earlier. I was a little confused and it took me a while to work out what was going on.
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Elise Kazmierczak, 19 Apr 2022
General comments
The paper is a well-written investigation into the the respective effects of exponents in the sliding law versus those of coupling with (simple) subglacial hydrological models on the evolution of the Antarctic Ice Sheet up until 2100. It tests four sliding-law exponents (m=1,2,3,5) and four different subglacial hydrology approaches, as well as a no-hydrology approach, across two extreme forcing scenarios and three realistic forcing scenarios. The authors conclude that, at the ice-sheet-wide scale, the exponent in the sliding law has a larger impact than the choice of subglacial hydrology model; this choice only modulates the eventual mass loss value up and down slightly. At a basin level, however, this finding is less evident.
Overall, I think the paper is well-written and logically structured, as well as being sound science. The figures are well-presented and clear. I do, however, have a couple of reservations that I would like to see addressed before recommending the paper for publication, which I detail below. Specifically, I question the values of some parameters, and the relationship between the presented results and conclusions.
We thank the referee for the effort in reviewing our manuscript and for the positive comments. Below we answer the specific comments in more detail (in bold italic).
Specific comments
I have two areas of specific concern with the paper that I feel may need some improvement before publication:
- The choice of the maximum saturated till layer thickness parameter. This parameter is shown in the results section to be of considerable importance in the behaviour of the ice sheet in the TIL scenario (and this is discussed towards the end of the discussion section), yet the choice of 2 m as the value used is never justified or referenced. If it is a value that has been taken from the literature, please include appropriate references; if not, please justify why this value was chosen (sensitivity tests, model stability, …). I suspect that, ultimately, it will not make a huge difference to the conclusions of the paper, but I feel this aspect needs to be better explained.
This value is taken from Bueler and Brown (2009) and Bueler and Van Pelt (2015) and is used in the standard PISM model. In Bueler and Van Pelt (2015) the same limits have been applied to the Greenland ice sheet and the results (conform ours) are shown in their Figure 7. Areas at the pressure melting point have a W_til value of 2 m (saturated). Other values of W_til (max) would lead to a similar result, if the water fill up in the till is larger than the till drainage. Since subglacial conditions in Antarctica are relatively stable over the time periods we considered, there is not much we expect to change, like the Greenland experiment in Bueler and Van Pelt (2015). Nevertheless, we realize that this approximation is rather crude, but the overall idea of our paper was to test existing and relatively simple hydrological models to be applied to the Antarctic ice sheet. We are currently developing more exhaustive treatments. - The link between the presented results and conclusions. The authors conclude that the choice of the sliding law exponent is of much greater importance at the ice-sheet scale than the choice of the subglacial hydrology model in determining the evolution of the ice sheet. I agree that this is strongly supported by the results from the extreme-forcing scenarios (ABUK and ABUM), but this does not seem to be the case for the ISMIP6 experiments (compare, for example, Figure 5 with Figures 6-8), where the subglacial hydrology seems to be at least as important, if not more so, than the sliding law exponent (the range, for a given exponent, between the mass-loss values for the different subglacial hydrology models looks to be equal to or greater than the range for different exponent values for a given subglacial hydrology model). The lack of a clear relationship at the basin scale is noted and discussed, but not at the ice-sheet-wide scale. I feel therefore that the discussion could benefit from an additional paragraph addressing this contrast between the extreme- and realistic-forcing scenarios, along with a modification of the abstract and conclusion to acknowledge this.
We thank the referee for this observation. ABUMIP gives dominant mass loss, so the sensitivity to overall mass loss is easier to gauge. However, the ISMIP6 experiments lead to a variety of responses on the pan-Antarctic scale, for which it is not obvious to derive what makes the difference in response for the different basal hydrologies. These responses are not only reflecting differences in hydrology, but also other interactions with forcings, such as increased accumulation rate across vast areas of the East Antarctic ice sheet. This is the reason why we put the emphasis on the basin approach. However, we comply with the referee that more could be said on the difference between both forcing scenarios in terms of response and will acknowledge this in both abstract and conclusion.
Technical comments
We will correct these in the revised manuscript.
p.1,l.3: ‘classic’ for ‘classical’
- 1,l.5: ‘the above’ for ‘above’
- 1,l.5: remove ‘i.e.’ and replace with a colon
- 1,l.8: the sensitivity of the ice sheet in what sense? You make it clear at the end of the sentence, but it might be worth adding ‘to climatic forcing’ or something similar here to clarify things a little.
- 1,l.10 ‘modulate’ not ‘modulates’
- 1,l.11: an increased sensitivity of what to what? Again, it’s fairly obvious you mean of the ice sheet to climatic forcing, but it bears restating, especially here in the abstract, just so it’s really clear.
- 1,l.14: ‘store’ for ‘storage’
- 1,l.15: ‘from’, not ‘of’
- 1,l.23: ‘laws’
- 1,l.24: delete the second occurrence of ‘conditions’
- 2,l.25: the sensitivity of ice-sheet flow to what?
- 2,l.29-30: replace the ‘either...or...’ phrasing with a ‘both...and…’ one
- 2,l.36: ‘the spatial and temporal scale’
- 2,l.40-41: replace ‘and to gauge’ with ‘nor the gauging of’
- Table 1: You refer to Cd here for the till drainage rate, but then talk about Ct later in Section 2.1.4. Pick one and make it consistent across the table and the text.
- 8,l.164-165: Is the historical run sufficient as a relaxation run? I think it would be good to include a sentence here justifying why you don’t need to do an actual relaxation run (or to change the phrasing, because it sounds very casual at the moment – something like ‘and thus also serves as a relaxation run’ would sound better)
- 8,l.165: replace ‘i.e’ with a colon
- 13,l.223-224: This description of Fig. 6 is a little confusing. The NON model run (i.e. no subglacial hydrology coupling) shows zero mass loss or a slight gain, but most of the model runs with some form of subglacial hydrology show near-zero or a slight mass loss, contrary to what the text says. I think you may have meant ‘without’ rather than ‘with’ in l.223, but, even then, the text would give the impression that mass gain is the rule, rather than the exception. I’d suggest re-wording this description slightly to make things clearer.
- 15,l.254: I’d replace ‘is more uncertain in altering’ with ‘has a more uncertain effect on’. I would also add, at the end, ‘than is seen at an ice-sheet level’
- Figure 10 caption: ‘Line colors’ for ‘Lines color’
- Figure 10: what are the red lines on the two left-most panels (are they GL position, but, if so, why are there none on the two middle panels?)
- Figure 10: make it clear that the Schoof runs are the runs presented in the results section earlier. I was a little confused and it took me a while to work out what was going on.
- The choice of the maximum saturated till layer thickness parameter. This parameter is shown in the results section to be of considerable importance in the behaviour of the ice sheet in the TIL scenario (and this is discussed towards the end of the discussion section), yet the choice of 2 m as the value used is never justified or referenced. If it is a value that has been taken from the literature, please include appropriate references; if not, please justify why this value was chosen (sensitivity tests, model stability, …). I suspect that, ultimately, it will not make a huge difference to the conclusions of the paper, but I feel this aspect needs to be better explained.
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RC2: 'Review of tc-2022-53', Anonymous Referee #2, 10 May 2022
Review of Kazmierczak et al. 'Subglacial hydrology modulates basal sliding response of the Antarctic ice sheet to climate forcing'In the manuscript, the authors study the sensitivity of the Antarctic Ice Sheet model to the choice of subglacial hydrological model and to the values of power exponent in the Weertman/Budd sliding law. The authors conduct two series of numerical experiments, considering extreme and realistic environmental forcings in the ABUMIP and ISEMIP6 setups, respectively. One of the novel findings presented in the study is the increased sensitivity in case when the subglacial model depends on the subglacial water pressure.
The paper in question is definitely of scientific interest, is well-written, and I would recommend it for publication after minor revisions. I have two general comments, detailed below, followed by specific comments/questions.
General comments:- The subject of the study is the sensitivity of the sliding laws and various subglacial hydrological approaches. However, the sensitivity is not formally defined in the text. This makes it difficult to follow the discussion and to reason about the results of the paper. I therefore suggest the authors to define the sensitivity quantitatively and to use that definition throughout the text in a consistent way. An additional figure presenting the summary of the sensitivity study for the ice sheet scale would also simplify the interpretation of the results.
- One of the factors that determine the dynamics of the ice sheet is the basal sliding coefficient Ab first used in the Eq. 1. In the paper, the spatial distributions of Ab are obtained through the optimisation procedure for every combination of the power exponent m and the model for sublacial hydrology. Are these values of the basal sliding coefficient constrained in any way, e.g., in order to be within physically plausible ranges? How these values depend on the choice of m? I would recommend providing the figure(s) presenting the spatial distributions of Ab at least for some representative problem setups and discussing how the values and spatial variation of Ab influence the response of the ice sheet both on large scale and basin scale.
Minor comments/questions:- p. 1, l. 7 - please define "RCP" before first use;
- p. 6, l. 118 - how Ql is calculated?;
- p. 6, l. 125 - "and the subglacial water flux, i.e.," - change to "and the subglacial water flux φ, i.e.,";
- p. 6, Eq. 10 - please define Ao, e.g., "and Ao the initial value of Ab, obtained through a nudging method described in Section 3";
- p. 6, l. 131 - "the effective pressure N is considered constant for SWF" - what is the value of the effective pressure N? Does this value influence the results?;
- p. 7, l. 137 - please define the "yield stress" of what is discussed;
- p. 7, l. 145 - W instead of Wtil;
- p. 7, l. 153 - "δpo is the lower bound on N, taken as a fraction of the ice overburden pressure." - I suggest changing it to "δpo is the lower bound on N, taken as a fraction δ of the ice overburden pressure po" for better readability;
- p. 15, l. 258 - "between difference" should read "between different";
- p. 16, Fig. 9. - the TIL model seems to be dramatically different from other models for m > 1, especially for the Enderby Land basin (Fig. 9c). It would be useful to see an explanation for this.
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Elise Kazmierczak, 27 Jun 2022
In the manuscript, the authors study the sensitivity of the Antarctic Ice Sheet model to the choice of subglacial hydrological model and to the values of power exponent in the Weertman/Budd sliding law. The authors conduct two series of numerical experiments, considering extreme and realistic environmental forcings in the ABUMIP and ISEMIP6 setups, respectively. One of the novel findings presented in the study is the increased sensitivity in case when the subglacial model depends on the subglacial water pressure.
The paper in question is definitely of scientific interest, is well-written, and I would recommend it for publication after minor revisions. I have two general comments, detailed below, followed by specific comments/questions.
We thank the referee for the effort in reviewing our manuscript and for the positive comments. Below we answer the specific comments in more detail (in bold italic).
General comments:
- The subject of the study is the sensitivity of the sliding laws and various subglacial hydrological approaches. However, the sensitivity is not formally defined in the text. This makes it difficult to follow the discussion and to reason about the results of the paper. I therefore suggest the authors to define the sensitivity quantitatively and to use that definition throughout the text in a consistent way. An additional figure presenting the summary of the sensitivity study for the ice sheet scale would also simplify the interpretation of the results.
Thank you for this pertinent remark. Indeed, we could have done a better job in properly defining what is meant by sensitivity. Our sensitivity metric is defined as the global sea level contribution (volume above floatation) from the Antarctic ice sheet compared to present-day. A higher sensitivity then means an overall larger mass loss for the same given forcing. We propose to add a summarized results table at the beginning of the discussion to permit a better understanding of it and define sensitivity in the introduction.
2. One of the factors that determine the dynamics of the ice sheet is the basal sliding coefficient Ab first used in the Eq. 1. In the paper, the spatial distributions of Ab are obtained through the optimization procedure for every combination of the power exponent m and the model for subglacial hydrology. Are these values of the basal sliding coefficient constrained in any way, e.g., in order to be within physically plausible ranges? How these values depend on the choice of m? I would recommend providing the figure(s) presenting the spatial distributions of Ab at least for some representative problem setups and discussing how the values and spatial variation of Ab influence the response of the ice sheet both on large scale and basin scale.
For each value of m, the range of values of Ab is of course different, as the coefficients Ab are a multiplier to the sliding law. Nevertheless, we try to avoid overfitting and let the coefficient Ab evolve over maximum 4 to 5 orders of magnitude, leading to basal sliding velocities that are within the physical range (from mm/a to hundreds of m per year). The pattern of Ab is broadly consistent for different values of m and/or different subglacial hydrological approaches. The highest values are encountered in outlet glaciers and ice streams and along the Siple Coast; the lowest values are within the interior of the East Antarctic ice sheet. The pattern is very similar to what is presented in Pollard and DeConto (2012), where the optimization method was presented initially. In the discussion we added a subsection on the effect of Ab on the results. In short, there is definitely a large difference in response if one starts from a uniform distribution of Ab underneath the whole ice sheet (leading also to a different ice geometry compared to the observed ice sheet) than if one starts from an ice sheet close to the observed geometry and with a spatial distribution of Ab. However, for each of our experiments, grounding line retreat occurred preferentially in the same areas. The magnitude of grounding line retreat (and retreat rates) remains therefore only a function of the applied sliding law and/or basal hydrology.
Minor comments/questions:
Below we answer those questions that need some explanation. In the revised manuscript we will take care of the corrections and typos that are asked.
- 1, l. 7 - please define "RCP" before first use;
- 6, l. 118 - how Ql is calculated?;
Ql is calculated as the incoming flux plus the basal melting rate corrected for the unit width of the cell or the subgacial water speed mutliplied by the subglacial water thickness. For more details on the method, see for instance LeBrocq (2006) where the same method is used for determining balance fluxes of ice.
- 6, l. 125 - "and the subglacial water flux, i.e.," - change to "and the subglacial water flux φ, i.e.,";
- 6, Eq. 10 - please define Ao, e.g., "and Ao the initial value of Ab, obtained through a nudging method described in Section 3";
- 6, l. 131 - "the effective pressure N is considered constant for SWF" - what is the value of the effective pressure N? Does this value influence the results?;
In the model it is taken constant (used as a scaling factor). However, for the manuscript it is better to remove this statement and just state that for SWF, the effective pressure is not considered in the sliding law.
- 7, l. 137 - please define the "yield stress" of what is discussed;
It is the yield stress defined in the equation (1). We could modify the sentence by « A fixed fraction of ice overburden equal to one implies an effective pressure and consequently a yield stress equal to zero (Equation (1)) ».
- 7, l. 145 - W instead of Wtil;
- 7, l. 153 - "δpois the lower bound on N, taken as a fraction of the ice overburden pressure." - I suggest changing it to "δpois the lower bound on N, taken as a fraction δ of the ice overburden pressure po" for better readability;
- 15, l. 258 - "between difference" should read "between different";
- 16, Fig. 9. - the TIL model seems to be dramatically different from other models for m > 1, especially for the Enderby Land basin (Fig. 9c). It would be useful to see an explanation for this.
It should be noted that the y-axis has a different scale than in Pine Island and Thwaites and in Wilkes basins. The main reason why the TIL model is less sensitive in Enderby Land is because of the lack of saturated till in this basin (fig. 4). Furthermore, the TIL model is generally less sensitive than the other approaches.
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