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Comprehensive evaluation of black carbon effect on glacier melting on the Laohugou Glacier No. 12, Western Qilian Mountains
Abstract. Global warming and surface albedo reduction by black carbon (BC) in glacier jointly accelerated glacier melting, but their respective contributions remain unclear. This study developed a dynamic deposition model of light absorbing particles (LAPs), which coupled with a surface energy and mass balance model. Based on the coupled model, we further assessed atmospheric deposited BC effect on glacier melting for a period of September 2011–August 2012 on the Laohugou glacier No. 12 in the western Qilian Mountains. It was found that BC in glacier surface caused 13.1 % of annual glacier-wide melting, of which atmospheric direct deposited BC reduced albedo with 0.02 and accounted for 9.1 % of glacier melting. The air temperature during recent two decades has increased by 1.5 ℃ relative to that during 1950s, which accounted for 51.9 % of current glacier melt. Meanwhile, based on the BC emission increased by 4.6 times compared to the early Industrial Evolution recorded in an ice core, the increased BC accounted conservatively for 6.7 % of current glacier melting. Despite the importance of LAPs regarding glacier melting, their variation on the ice surface remains unclear, and relevant observations are urgently needed to improve simulation of the process.
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How to cite. Chen, J., Du, W., Kang, S., Qin, X., Sun, W., Li, Y., Liu, Y., Luo, L., and Jiang, Y.: Comprehensive evaluation of black carbon effect on glacier melting on the Laohugou Glacier No. 12, Western Qilian Mountains, The Cryosphere Discuss. [preprint], https://doi.org/10.5194/tc-2022-179, 2022.
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RC1: 'Review Comment on tc-2022-179', Anonymous Referee #1, 10 Nov 2022
The authors developed a glacier mass and energy balance model to estimate the impact of atmospheric deposited BC on glacier melting at the the Laohugou Glacier No. 12, Western Qilian Mountains. They found that the BC deposition particularly from industrial emissions significantly accelerates the glacier melting on top of the global warming. The findings are interesting. However, I have a few concerns and suggestions for the authors to address before the manuscript can be considered for potential publication.
Major comments:
- My major concern is that the measurements used to constrain and drive model simulations are collected in different years. This temporal inconsistency can lead to substantial uncertainties in the model simulations and parameter optimization, unless there is very small interannual variability for those measured quantities. The authors need to either justify the negligible impact from interannual variability or quantify the associated uncertainty due to this temporal inconsistency and report it along with the results.
- Lines 107-110: This part is not quite clear to me. How did the authors measure the BC lost in melted snow and then add it to compute the total BC content in snow pit? Particularly, it seems that the authors need to quantify/estimate the amount of BC scavenged by snow meltwater out of the snow pit to compute the total deposited BC in snow. Also, the authors mentioned a little bit about computing the BC lost amount based on removal efficiency in Line 127. However, the removal efficiency has quite large uncertainty (Qian et al., 2014: https://doi.org/10.1088/1748-9326/9/6/064001). This estimation method seems to have large uncertainty for the lost amount of BC. Did the authors conduct any uncertainty analysis to quantify this?
- Section 5.1: The relative importance/contribution of different types of BC (e.g., from meltout ice, wet deposition, dry deposition) is essentially dominated by the vertical distribution of these BC particle concentrations. The glacier melting caused by BC is mostly driven by the albedo reduction, which is most sensitive to the BC concentration in the top few centimeter snowpack. Thus, physically speaking, the small contributions of BC from meltout ice and wet deposition are probably because the BC locating in the deeper snow layers and BC concentration is relatively low (compared to dry deposition), respectively. Some discussions related to these physical insights need to be added or clarified. Also, the timing of these different BC particles occurring could also have an impact since spring and summer typically lead to the strongest impacts from BC-driven melting.
- This glacier modeling adopted many assumptions, simplifications, and approximations. Thus, a section specifically discussing and/or quantify the uncertainties involved in the model simulations will be very helpful. Some of my comments have touched a little bit on several uncertainty sources.
Minor comments:
- Lines 44-45: “have generally been retreating slowly.” Is this relative to the mean retreating rate over the global cryosphere?
- Lines 57-60: This statement is not accurate because there are several previous studies using the simultaneous direct deposition of atmospheric BC from model simulations (including BC emitted from human activities) to estimate the associated BC effects on snow and ice over the Tibetan Plateau (e.g., He et al., 2014: https://doi.org/10.1002/2014GL062191; Ji et al., 2015: https://doi.org/10.1007/s00382-015-2509-1; Gul et al., 2021: https://doi.org/10.5194/acp-22-8725-2022).
- Line 148: This is a little confusing. The first/top snow layer was never depleted by ablation?
- Section 3.4: The authors assumed BC externally mixed with (likely spherical) snow grains in the calculations. However, several previous studies have pointed out that BC-snow internal mixing and non-spherical snow grain shape can have large impacts on the BC-induced snow albedo changes (e.g., Dang et al., 2016: https://doi.org/10.1175/JAS-D-15-0276.1; He et al., 2018: https://doi.org/10.1002/2017JD027752). At least some discussions should be provided regarding the uncertainty related to this aspect.
- Section 3.4: It seems that the glacier melting is only for snowpack, right? How about the glacier ice component? Is there an ice layer in the model? Note that ice layer treatment (in terms of albedo calculation) will be different from that of snowpack.
- Figure 3a: It seems that the model results are consistently higher than observations during winter and spring. What could be the reason(s)?
- Figure 4: Although the simulated mass balance agrees with observations, the simulated snow height is consistently lower than measurements. What are the implications? Is this only the issue with snow density simulation? Would this snow height bias affect the optimization of other model parameters?
- Figure 5: I am a little confused here. Are the BC and MD concentrations shown here both from measurements or model simulations? If they are from model results, how do they compare with measurements?
- Figure 6: The albedo by removing all MD and BC is much higher than that by removing either of them particularly in the low-elevation areas. This nonlinearity seems to suggest the strong impacts from the snow grain growth induced albedo reduction during melting along with the MD/BC induced albedo reduction.
- Section 5.2: Is there any observation to validate the glacier mass change in model results? For example, the GRACE satellite data?
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Jizu Chen, 30 Jan 2023
The comment was uploaded in the form of a supplement: https://tc.copernicus.org/preprints/tc-2022-179/tc-2022-179-AC1-supplement.pdf
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RC2: 'Comment on tc-2022-179', Anonymous Referee #2, 02 Dec 2022
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Jizu Chen, 30 Jan 2023
The comment was uploaded in the form of a supplement: https://tc.copernicus.org/preprints/tc-2022-179/tc-2022-179-AC2-supplement.pdf
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Jizu Chen, 30 Jan 2023
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Comment types: AC – author | RC – referee | CC – community | EC – editor | CEC – chief editor
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RC1: 'Review Comment on tc-2022-179', Anonymous Referee #1, 10 Nov 2022
The authors developed a glacier mass and energy balance model to estimate the impact of atmospheric deposited BC on glacier melting at the the Laohugou Glacier No. 12, Western Qilian Mountains. They found that the BC deposition particularly from industrial emissions significantly accelerates the glacier melting on top of the global warming. The findings are interesting. However, I have a few concerns and suggestions for the authors to address before the manuscript can be considered for potential publication.
Major comments:
- My major concern is that the measurements used to constrain and drive model simulations are collected in different years. This temporal inconsistency can lead to substantial uncertainties in the model simulations and parameter optimization, unless there is very small interannual variability for those measured quantities. The authors need to either justify the negligible impact from interannual variability or quantify the associated uncertainty due to this temporal inconsistency and report it along with the results.
- Lines 107-110: This part is not quite clear to me. How did the authors measure the BC lost in melted snow and then add it to compute the total BC content in snow pit? Particularly, it seems that the authors need to quantify/estimate the amount of BC scavenged by snow meltwater out of the snow pit to compute the total deposited BC in snow. Also, the authors mentioned a little bit about computing the BC lost amount based on removal efficiency in Line 127. However, the removal efficiency has quite large uncertainty (Qian et al., 2014: https://doi.org/10.1088/1748-9326/9/6/064001). This estimation method seems to have large uncertainty for the lost amount of BC. Did the authors conduct any uncertainty analysis to quantify this?
- Section 5.1: The relative importance/contribution of different types of BC (e.g., from meltout ice, wet deposition, dry deposition) is essentially dominated by the vertical distribution of these BC particle concentrations. The glacier melting caused by BC is mostly driven by the albedo reduction, which is most sensitive to the BC concentration in the top few centimeter snowpack. Thus, physically speaking, the small contributions of BC from meltout ice and wet deposition are probably because the BC locating in the deeper snow layers and BC concentration is relatively low (compared to dry deposition), respectively. Some discussions related to these physical insights need to be added or clarified. Also, the timing of these different BC particles occurring could also have an impact since spring and summer typically lead to the strongest impacts from BC-driven melting.
- This glacier modeling adopted many assumptions, simplifications, and approximations. Thus, a section specifically discussing and/or quantify the uncertainties involved in the model simulations will be very helpful. Some of my comments have touched a little bit on several uncertainty sources.
Minor comments:
- Lines 44-45: “have generally been retreating slowly.” Is this relative to the mean retreating rate over the global cryosphere?
- Lines 57-60: This statement is not accurate because there are several previous studies using the simultaneous direct deposition of atmospheric BC from model simulations (including BC emitted from human activities) to estimate the associated BC effects on snow and ice over the Tibetan Plateau (e.g., He et al., 2014: https://doi.org/10.1002/2014GL062191; Ji et al., 2015: https://doi.org/10.1007/s00382-015-2509-1; Gul et al., 2021: https://doi.org/10.5194/acp-22-8725-2022).
- Line 148: This is a little confusing. The first/top snow layer was never depleted by ablation?
- Section 3.4: The authors assumed BC externally mixed with (likely spherical) snow grains in the calculations. However, several previous studies have pointed out that BC-snow internal mixing and non-spherical snow grain shape can have large impacts on the BC-induced snow albedo changes (e.g., Dang et al., 2016: https://doi.org/10.1175/JAS-D-15-0276.1; He et al., 2018: https://doi.org/10.1002/2017JD027752). At least some discussions should be provided regarding the uncertainty related to this aspect.
- Section 3.4: It seems that the glacier melting is only for snowpack, right? How about the glacier ice component? Is there an ice layer in the model? Note that ice layer treatment (in terms of albedo calculation) will be different from that of snowpack.
- Figure 3a: It seems that the model results are consistently higher than observations during winter and spring. What could be the reason(s)?
- Figure 4: Although the simulated mass balance agrees with observations, the simulated snow height is consistently lower than measurements. What are the implications? Is this only the issue with snow density simulation? Would this snow height bias affect the optimization of other model parameters?
- Figure 5: I am a little confused here. Are the BC and MD concentrations shown here both from measurements or model simulations? If they are from model results, how do they compare with measurements?
- Figure 6: The albedo by removing all MD and BC is much higher than that by removing either of them particularly in the low-elevation areas. This nonlinearity seems to suggest the strong impacts from the snow grain growth induced albedo reduction during melting along with the MD/BC induced albedo reduction.
- Section 5.2: Is there any observation to validate the glacier mass change in model results? For example, the GRACE satellite data?
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/tc-2022-179-RC1 -
AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Jizu Chen, 30 Jan 2023
The comment was uploaded in the form of a supplement: https://tc.copernicus.org/preprints/tc-2022-179/tc-2022-179-AC1-supplement.pdf
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RC2: 'Comment on tc-2022-179', Anonymous Referee #2, 02 Dec 2022
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Jizu Chen, 30 Jan 2023
The comment was uploaded in the form of a supplement: https://tc.copernicus.org/preprints/tc-2022-179/tc-2022-179-AC2-supplement.pdf
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Jizu Chen, 30 Jan 2023
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Jizu Chen
Qilian Shan Station of Glaciology and Eco-environment, State Key Laboratory of Cryospheric Science, Northwest Institute of Eco-Environment and Resources, Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS), Lanzhou 730000, China
Wentao Du
CORRESPONDING AUTHOR
Qilian Shan Station of Glaciology and Eco-environment, State Key Laboratory of Cryospheric Science, Northwest Institute of Eco-Environment and Resources, Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS), Lanzhou 730000, China
Shichang Kang
Qilian Shan Station of Glaciology and Eco-environment, State Key Laboratory of Cryospheric Science, Northwest Institute of Eco-Environment and Resources, Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS), Lanzhou 730000, China
College of Resources and Environment, University of Chinese Academy of Sciences (UCAS), Beijing 100049, China
Xiang Qin
Qilian Shan Station of Glaciology and Eco-environment, State Key Laboratory of Cryospheric Science, Northwest Institute of Eco-Environment and Resources, Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS), Lanzhou 730000, China
Weijun Sun
College of Geography and Environment, Shandong Normal University, Jinan 250014, China
Yang Li
Institute of International Rivers and Eco-security, Yunnan University, Kunming, Yunnan, 650500, China
Yushuo Liu
Qilian Shan Station of Glaciology and Eco-environment, State Key Laboratory of Cryospheric Science, Northwest Institute of Eco-Environment and Resources, Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS), Lanzhou 730000, China
Lihui Luo
Northwest Institute of Eco-Environment and Resources, Chinese Academy of Science (CAS), Lanzhou 730000, China
Youyan Jiang
Lanzhou regional climate center, Lanzhou 730020, China
Short summary
This study developed a dynamic deposition model of light absorbing particles (LAPs), which coupled with a surface energy and mass balance model. Based on the coupled model, we assessed atmospheric deposited BC effect on glacier melting, and quantified global warming and increment of emitted black carbon respective contributions to current accelerated glacier melting.
This study developed a dynamic deposition model of light absorbing particles (LAPs), which...