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https://doi.org/10.5194/tc-19-4671-2025
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the Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 License.Quantifying the impacts of atmospheric rivers on the surface energy budget of the Arctic based on reanalysis
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The methodology of this paper is flawed. Not only are the atmospheric rivers (AR) included in the climatologies used, and thus cannot exceed 100% of the budgets, but the local fluxes within the bounds of the AR are calculated as an anomaly without consideration of the budget for region as a whole i.e. reflecting the fractional area of the AR to the area of the region as a whole (e.g. Greenland, marginal seas etc.
Additionally, the authors to not make the case for AR vs extratropical cyclones. AR are not a standalone feature and thus the tropical cyclone itself is the story not the AR.
Some other line by line points
Line 46. The argument here is that atmospheric rivers are a distinct feature when they are simply associated with extra-tropical cyclones. It is the cloud associated with the cyclone warm front that is leads to the excessive LW-down. The detrainment of water vapor from the cyclone could be adding to LW-down, but the authors are not distinguishing the two characteristics here. Include further references to add to Ralph et al., 2018 to show that there is considerable mechanistic literature on the cause of ‘atmospheric rivers’.
Eiras-Barca, J., Ramos, A. M., Pinto, J. G., Trigo, R. M., Liberato, M. L. R., and Miguez-Macho, G.: The concurrence of atmospheric rivers and explosive cyclogenesis in the North Atlantic and North Pacific basins, Earth Syst. Dynam., 9, 91–102, https://doi.org/10.5194/esd-9-91-2018, 2018.
Zhang, Z., Ralph, F. M., & Zheng, M. (2019). The relationship between extratropical cyclone strength and atmospheric river intensity and position. Geophysical Research Letters, 46, 1814–1823. https://doi.org/10.1029/2018GL079071
Dacre, H. F., P. A. Clark, O. Martinez-Alvarado, M. A. Stringer, and D. A. Lavers, 2015: How Do Atmospheric Rivers Form?. Bull. Amer. Meteor. Soc., 96, 1243–1255, https://doi.org/10.1175/BAMS-D-14-00031.1.
If you accept that ‘atmospheric rivers’ are manifestations of subtropical cyclones, as the above papers suggest, then reference to previous Arctic budget analysis is required.
Villamil-Otero, G.A., Zhang, J., He, J. et al. Role of extratropical cyclones in the recently observed increase in poleward moisture transport into the Arctic Ocean. Adv. Atmos. Sci. 35, 85–94 (2018). https://doi.org/10.1007/s00376-017-7116-0
Line 68. In any estimation of energy budget on needs to calculate the impact of snowfall associated with the cyclones on sea ice and land energy budgets, because of the high albedo of snow in spring.
Webster, M.A., Parker, C., Boisvert, L. et al. The role of cyclone activity in snow accumulation on Arctic sea ice. Nat Commun 10, 5285 (2019). https://doi.org/10.1038/s41467-019-13299-8
Line 79. There are other mechanisms for extremes (which have a disproportionate impact) of the energy budget eg.
Papritz, L., S. Murto, M. Röthlisberger, R. Caballero, G. Messori, G. Svensson, and H. Wernli, 2023: The Role of Local and Remote Processes for Wintertime Surface Energy Budget Extremes over Arctic Sea Ice. J. Climate, 36, 7657–7674, https://doi.org/10.1175/JCLI-D-22-0883.1.
But it may be sensible not to extend the length of the submission by avoiding discussion of extremes as this is whole topic in itself.
Line 95. You should note here that ECMWF does not directly assimilate tropospheric water vapour over land or sea ice, except for radio occultation which does not have the capability to detect AR, and so there is no actual measurements
Line 96. If you just did explosive cyclone tracking, would you get the same answer? After all, it is the clouds that matter for LW-down rather than the water vapour itself.
Line 175. Rewrite such that Figure 1 is not the subject of the sentence but supports the statements e.g. ‘The seasonal frequency of AR occurrence (Fig 1) shows…
Line 176. Avoid putting detail in the text which should be in the figure caption (eg. The index used and the limitation of the period 1980-2019. Otherwise, you are repeating what should have been in the methods section. Have a new sentence to introduce the topic of Table 1
Table 1. I do not understand this table. The AR are already included in the seasonal climatology so how can they contribute more than 100% of the LWD or surface energy budget? E.g. Greenland. The only way to do this properly is to total the number of J/m2/s for the time without AR and then sum over the time with AR.