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Water storage and potential hazard of moraine-dammed glacial lake in maritime glaciation region – A case study of Bienong Co
- 1College of Geography and Environment Science, Northwest Normal University, LanZhou, 730070, China
- 2Gansu Forestry Polytechnic, Tianshui, 741020, China
- 3Northwest Engineering Corporation Limited, Power China, Xi’an 710065, China
- 4Capital Urban Planning and Design Consulting Development Company Limited, Beijing 100038, China
- 1College of Geography and Environment Science, Northwest Normal University, LanZhou, 730070, China
- 2Gansu Forestry Polytechnic, Tianshui, 741020, China
- 3Northwest Engineering Corporation Limited, Power China, Xi’an 710065, China
- 4Capital Urban Planning and Design Consulting Development Company Limited, Beijing 100038, China
Abstract. The existence of glacial lakes in the Southeastern Tibetan Plateau (SETP) is a potential hazard to the downstream regions, as the failure of some lakes has potential to result in disastrous glacial lake outburst flood (GLOF) events of high-magnitude. In the present study, we conducted a comprehensive investigation for Bienong Co, an end moraine-dammed glacial lake in SETP, including its area evolution analysis, basin morphology simulation, water volume estimation, possible outburst triggers analysis, and one- and two-dimensional hydrodynamic simulation. The results show that the area of Bienong Co was 1.15 ± 0.05 km2 in August 2020, which has remained generally stable over the past four decades. However, it exhibits the high risk of GLOFs due to its larger area, the steep and high moraine dam, the close distance to its mother glacier, and the surrounding steep slopes. The lake basin is relatively flat at bottom and steep on both flanks, and the slope near the glacier (16.5°) is steeper than that near the moraine dam (11.3°), with a maximum lake depth of ~181.04 m and a water volume of ~1.02 × 108 m3 in August 2020. Four scenarios of GLOFs based on different breach depths, breach widths and failure times were simulated using the hydrodynamic model of MIKE 11 and MIKE 21 to predict the potential impacts on downstream areas. An extreme-magnitude GLOF would have a catastrophic impact on the downstream region, with most of the settlements, all bridges and majority of Jiazhong Highway along the flow channel being completely submerged. However, in a low-magnitude GLOF, most settlements would be safe or partially inundated. It means that most of the residents in the flow channel of Bienong Co can avoid the damage caused by a low-magnitude GLOF (smaller breach depth of dam). Although three settlements in the downstream area are at risk of being completely submerged in a low-magnitude GLOF event, the flooding arrives late and people have enough time to escape. Finally, the maximum depths of glacial lakes with similar areas were compared for 16 glacial lakes with measured bathymetry data in the Himalayas and Bienong Co in SETP, according to the regional division of maritime and continental zones. The results show that glacial lakes located in maritime regions have larger depths than those in continental regions, and Bienong Co is the deepest glacial lake comparing others in the Himalayas. Therefore, a huge amount of water could be discharged by a potential GLOF event of Bienong Co, creating a serious hazard, which should be taken seriously in the future. Overall, this study of Bienong Co could provide a new understanding of the moraine-dammed glacial lakes in the SETP and a reference of GLOFs to the local government.
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Status: final response (author comments only)
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RC1: 'Comment on tc-2022-62', Adam Emmer, 03 May 2022
This study aims at estimating lake volume and modelling potential GLOF from the Lake Bienong, SE Tibet Plateau. In general, I’m convinced that such studies are needed and are logical step following region-wide GLOF susceptibility assessments. The outcomes might be of interest for research community as well as DRR practitioners.
The authors of this study employ broadly used data (Landsat images, ALSO PALSAR DEM, …) and methods (bathymetric surveying, empirical equations for deriving breach parameters, MIKE11 modelling tool) in new geographical context. As such, this study brings only limited novelty in terms of methodological development and to some extent only replicates the workflows of previous GLOF modelling studies of different lakes. I would maybe expect more novelty in leading journals such as the Cryosphere. Below I provide my comments to individual parts of this study:
The section about lake evolution actually presents no evolution and can be omitted or summarized in one sentence in the Introduction or Study area section in my opinion.
The authors defined 4 moraine dam breach (GLOF) scenarios which are then modelled in the MIKE11 and MIKE21 software. However, the moraine dam breach is not the beginning of the process chain, but a consequence of certain triggering event. Considering that this is detailed case study of only one lake, I would expect the authors to analyze the whole process chain in as much detail as possible, i.e. starting with detailed quantitative analysis of potential GLOF triggers which would help to define and justify dam breach scenarios.
However, this is not met in the current version of the manuscript. My major concern is that the breach scenarios are defined subjectively and are not linked to possible GLOF triggers identified in Section 5.1. What is described in Section 5.1. gives mainly qualitative overview of potential GLOF triggers. This is perhaps true for many lakes in the region, but there is no link to considered breach depth scenarios. And this is the major drawback of this study in my opinion.
For instance, I wonder what would need to be the magnitude of triggering slope movement to initiate 72 m deep breach? Is there any evidence that such slope movement could occur in the lake’s surrounding? Landslide zones identified in Figure 11 don’t seem to be releasing large mass volumes into the lake. Ideally, the initial slope movement, displacement wave propagation in the lake as well as dam breaching would be modelled, not only the GLOF. Critical questions regarding potential GLOF triggers are: Is there any evidence of mass movements entering the lake in the past? Have you observed any evidence from your analysis of remote sensing images and DEMs? Is there any evidence of potential future mass movements (displaced blocks, surface ruptures, opening crevasses, etc.)? Any evidence from your field work? Did any strong earthquake hit the region in the past? Did the lake experience any precipitation / temperature extremes? Do you expect them to change in the future? Considering the scope of the study (case study of one lake), individual triggers should be identified, quantified and treated more in depth in my opinion, feeding the definition of dam breach (GLOF) scenarios.
For the modelling part (Section 4.3, Table 3, Figures 7 to 10), flow velocities and peak discharge drop in Bada to 0.26 m/s (2,260 m3/s) in the most extreme scenario, after which it again speeds up to 18.47 m/s (22,992 m3/s) in Zongri is contra-intuitive and should be discussed / explained. In Figure 10, you even have negative peak discharge in Bada (?). Also the flow velocities of Scenario-1 (S1 to Jiawu; 44 to 65 m/s) seem unrealistically high considering it is supposed to originate from moraine dam breach.
Finally, the authors invested a lot of effort in comparing lake volumes (Section 5.2) and lake volume estimates (Section 5.3), but the implications of these comparisons are nebulous to me and the statistical treatment is incorrect. Considering the bathymetry done by the authors, it is clear that: (i) they have the best possible lake volume estimate for their study; (ii) their one bathymetry can hardly be used to validate or evaluate existing area-volume relationships. Strikingly, bathymetric data used to develop the new area-volume relationship (Table 5, Figure 12) are then used for the performance assessment (Tabel 7, Figure 14), which is statistically not correct. Moreover, some of the existing equations (e.g. Fujita’s equation developed specifically for Himalayan lakes) are not considered in this comparison. Further, the number of lakes listed in Table 5 is too low to generate any meaningful conclusions about a difference between lakes associated with continental and maritime glaciers. In addition, it seems that simply larger lakes are deeper as you only have one lake > 1 km2 associated with continental glacier in your dataset while all lakes associated with maritime glaciers are > 1km2. This makes the Discussion section overall weak.
Table 4: if the lake has a surface outflow, dam freeboard = 0m.
Mean breach (Eq. 3) is used as max. breach in Figure 6; please check
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I think that especially GLOF triggers need to be addressed in more detailed and quantitative way first, resulting in re-definition and justification of dam breach scenarios. Also the Discussion section should be re-worked substantially in my opinion. To sum up, I recommend major revisions of this manuscript.
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Hongyu Duan, 05 Aug 2022
The comment was uploaded in the form of a supplement: https://tc.copernicus.org/preprints/tc-2022-62/tc-2022-62-AC1-supplement.pdf
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Hongyu Duan, 05 Aug 2022
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RC2: 'Comment on tc-2022-62', stephan harrison, 28 Jun 2022
Water storage and potential hazard of moraine-dammed glacial
lake in maritime glaciation region—A case study of Bienong Co
This is an interesting paper that investigates a glacial lake and conducts analyses aiming to assess its evolution, basin morphology, estimate its water volume, analyses some possible outburst triggers analysis, and conducts simulations of likely inundation under GLOF scenarios. In general, the paper does a good job of developing these themes and forms a comprehensive case study that could be published given some reasonably substantial changes. I list these here and also some more specific issues with the paper.
1 The paper is often written in a rather vague and imprecise way. In addition, there is often an incorrect use of English. I sympathise with the authors in this; it is difficult for non-English speakers to write precisely and accurately in English but this paper would benefit enormously from careful editing and rewriting by a native English speaker.
2 The literature review is generally comprehensive although there are some papers that should have been referenced and I highlight some of these later. The rationale for the study is clear and appropriate.
3 The sampling strategy and methodology is not clearly discussed. Explain why this lake was chosen. Is this lake representative of others in the region? If so, why and how do you know this? If the lake is not representative, then the authors need to explain its significance.
4 The methodologies used are explained and justified well, and you have used an appropriate range of techniques to explore the geomorphology, characteristics and evolution of the lake and its future behaviour.
5 I am interested in why Bienong Co is regarded as a dangerous lake (lines 100 and 239)? The paper demonstrates that the lake has remained stable for some time, and that it cannot expand further. It also argues that the moraine dam does not contain an ice core. So the description of the lake as ‘dangerous’ requires much more discussion and evidence. This is important because there is always the temptation to describe any moraine - dammed lake as being ‘dangerous’ even when the evidence for this is lacking. I know of one well-known reviewer of similar papers who regularly rejects all papers who make this assertion without clear evidence!
6 The paper forms a detailed and comprehensive assessment of the site and models some plausible GLOF inundation scenarios. But this is essentially a paper about one lake and therefore could be criticised as being a bit parochial. What does this say about moraine-dammed lakes more generally? Why is this paper significant enough to be published in a mainstream journal like The Cryosphere? It therefore needs much more wider context, and some sense of why the techniques you used are an advance on other similar work, or why you have provided new insights. Otherwise you have just provided an interesting case study.
7 The title mentions water storage, but little is made of this in the paper. How does it compare with other lakes in the region?
8 Under the modelling scenarios presented here, some villages downstream will be completely inundated by the largest GLOF. What are the ethical issues that derive from such an analysis. I agree that we should prepare such assessments but the local inhabitants will be rightly concerned. I’m interested in their views of such analyses.
Fig 8. Difficult to differentiate colours in depth assessments.
Specific issues.
Line 9. Omit ‘the’ after ‘hazard to’
- Insert ‘the’ before ‘potential’.
- Explain the typology of ‘maritime’. These glaciers aren’t maritime (meaning close to the sea).
- Cite: Harrison, S., Kargel, J.S., Huggel, C., Reynolds, J., Shugar, D.H., Betts, R.A., Emmer, A., Glasser, N., Haritashya, U.K., Klimeš, J. and Reinhardt, L., 2018. Climate change and the global pattern of moraine-dammed glacial lake outburst floods. The Cryosphere, 12(4), pp.1195-1209.
- ‘such as the ice and/or rock avalanches’. There is no need for the definite article (ie 'the) when the noun is plural. This rule applies throughout this paper.
- Sentence starting ‘Study shows…’. This sentence requires rewriting. It is ambiguous and vague. This is also an hypothesis and presupposes that we understand the link between climate change, glacier recession and GLOF incidence.
- Re ‘maritime glaciers’. Reword this sentence. Maritime is the wrong description of these glaciers. This means close to the sea.
- Sentence starting ‘Therefore’. I completely understand what you are trying to say here....but the use of language is incorrect.
- Delete ‘Whereas’.
- I don’t agree with this. USV are used quite a lot. Lots of other examples. Cite: Wilson, R., Harrison, S., Reynolds, J., Hubbard, A., Glasser, N.F., Wündrich, O., Anacona, P.I., Mao, L. and Shannon, S., 2019. The 2015 Chileno Valley glacial lake outburst flood, Patagonia. Geomorphology, 332, pp.51-65. Also papers therein.
- Why was this lake chosen? Explain why this was chosen. Is this lake representative of others in the region? If so, why? If not, then explain its significance.
- the data acquisition module, the data acquisition module. This is repeated.
- Why is the lake described as ‘dangerous’ if it is stable?
- Where is the evidence that strong earthquakes can produce a full-depth incision in a terminal moraine?
- the ~52.98 km downstream. Explain this.
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Hongyu Duan, 05 Aug 2022
The comment was uploaded in the form of a supplement: https://tc.copernicus.org/preprints/tc-2022-62/tc-2022-62-AC2-supplement.pdf
- AC3: 'Comment on tc-2022-62', Hongyu Duan, 06 Aug 2022
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