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Antiphase dynamics between cold-based glaciers in the Antarctic Dry Valleys region and ice extent in the Ross Sea during MIS 5
Jacob T. H. Anderson
Toshiyuki Fujioka
David Fink
Alan J. Hidy
Gary S. Wilson
Klaus Wilcken
Andrey Abramov
Nikita Demidov
Abstract. During the interglacial and interstadials of Marine Isotope Stage 5 (MIS 5e, 5c, 5a), outlet and alpine glaciers in the Dry Valleys region, Antarctica, appear to have advanced in response to increased precipitation from enhanced open ocean conditions in the Ross Sea. We provide further evidence of this antiphase behaviour through retreat of a peripheral lobe of Taylor Glacier in Pearse Valley, a region that was glaciated during MIS 5. We measured cosmogenic 10Be and 26Al in three granite cobbles from thin, patchy drift (Taylor 2 Drift) in Pearse Valley to constrain the timing of retreat of Taylor Glacier. Assuming simple continuous exposure, our minimum, zero erosion, exposure ages suggest Taylor Glacier partially retreated from Pearse Valley no later than 65–74 ka. Timing of retreat after 65 ka and until the Last Glacial Maximum (LGM) when Taylor Glacier was at a minimum position, remains unresolved. The depositional history of permafrost sediments buried below Taylor 2 Drift in Pearse Valley was obtained from 10Be and 26Al depth profiles to ~3 metres in permafrost in proximity to the cobble sampling sites. Depth profile modelling gives a depositional age for near-surface (< 1.65 m) permafrost at Pearse Valley of 180 ka +20/−40 ka, implying deposition of permafrost sediments predate MIS 5 advances of Taylor Glacier. Depth profile modelling of deeper permafrost sediments (> 2.09 m) indicates a depositional age of > 180 ka. The cobble and permafrost ages reveal Taylor Glacier advances during MIS 5 were non-erosive or mildly erosive, preserving the underlying permafrost sediments and peppering boulders and cobbles upon an older, relict surface. Our results are consistent with U/Th ages from central Taylor Valley, and suggest changes in moisture delivery over Taylor Dome during MIS 5e, 5c and 5a appear to be associated with the extent of the Ross Ice Shelf and sea ice in the Ross Sea. At a coastal, lower elevation site in neighbouring Lower Wright Valley, 10Be and 26Al depth profiles from a second permafrost core exhibit near-constant concentrations with depth, and indicate the sediments are either vertically mixed after deposition, or are sufficiently young and post-depositional nuclide production is negligible relative to inheritance. 26Al/10Be concentration ratios for both depth profiles range between 4.0 and 5.2 and are all lower than the nominal surface production rate ratio of 6.75 indicating that prior to deposition, these sediments experienced a complex exposure-burial history. Assuming a single cycle exposure-burial scenario, the observed 26Al/10Be ratios are equivalent to a total minimum exposure-burial history of ~1.2 Ma. Our new data corroborates antiphase behaviour between outlet and alpine glaciers in the Dry Valleys region and ice extent in the Ross Sea. We suggest a causal relationship of cold-based glacier advance and retreat that is controlled by an increase in moisture availability during retreat of sea ice and perhaps the Ross Ice Shelf, and conversely, a decrease during times of sea ice and Ross Ice Shelf expansion in the Ross Sea.
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RC1: 'Comment on tc-2022-252', Jane Lund Andersen, 06 Mar 2023
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Jacob Anderson, 07 May 2023
The comment was uploaded in the form of a supplement: https://tc.copernicus.org/preprints/tc-2022-252/tc-2022-252-AC1-supplement.pdf
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Jacob Anderson, 07 May 2023
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RC2: 'Comment on tc-2022-252', Greg Balco, 23 Mar 2023
The summary of this review is that this is a straightforward paper that reports a collection of useful cosmogenic-nuclide data from the Antarctic Dry Valleys. From this perspective the paper is perfectly fine and communicates these data in a clear way.There is one thing that is surprising about this paper, though, which is that the clear description of the cosmogenic-nuclide data is bookended by an extraordinarily large amount of discussion of the relationship of glacier advances to climate in the DV. The proposed relationships are very likely to be true, but are almost entirely unrelated to the new observations in this paper. To put this in perspective, this paper reports cosmogenic-nuclide measurements on 27 samples -- three surface samples and the remainder from cores in frozen sediment. Of the 3 surface samples, only two have the same age. These two ages are consistent with the generally accepted and well-described-in-the-literature concept that Dry Valleys glaciers are moisture-starved and retreat during cold periods. Thus, 2/27 (7.5%) of the data described in this paper can be used to support this assertion. However, 100% of the title, about 2/3 of the abstract, most of the introduction, a very long discussion in section 5.4, and about 2/3 of the conclusions are devoted to the antiphase-with-climate behaviour of Dry Valleys glaciers. Thus, nearly all of the introduction, discussion, and conclusions of the paper is all about only 7.5% of the data.
The data from the other 92.5% of the samples, which are depth profile measurements, are quite interesting, but complicated and not easily interpretable as an age of any particular event. They are certainly consistent with glaciers retreating during glacial maxima, but it is clear that the measured nuclide concentrations record a complex history of exposure, burial, sediment recycling, and permafrost processes, so they would be equally well consistent with all kinds of other glacier change scenarios. These data are not really about glacier change, they are more about the provenance and process environment of frozen sediments in the DV. It appears that the authors thought that these data were too complicated, and permafrost dynamics too esoteric, for anyone to care about, so they wrote the entire paper about the two surface samples and then included the depth profiles because they were from about the same place. This is not to say that there's not a good description of the depth profile data in this paper -- there is -- but it is just kind of abandoned among all the discussion of antiphase glacier dynamics, which, as noted, is certainly correct, but already pretty well established by other research and only marginally relevant to the majority of the data reported here.
Of course if I were writing this I would have titled it "Timescale of active layer mixing in Antarctic permafrost inferred from cosmogenic-nuclide depth profiles," spent most of the paper talking about that, and then just tossed in a sentence at the end that, oh yeah, we measured three surface clasts, of which two ages agree and are consistent with the generally accepted thinking that DV glaciers retreated during the LGM.
But, I'm not writing this, so the authors can do whatever they want. All the data are clearly reported here, so readers can take from it what they choose.
However, even though the authors don't seem very interested in highlighting the depth-profile results, I am going to only talk about them in the rest of the review. Basically, what happens here is that the data clearly show that the concentration-depth relationship does not show the exponential-like decrease expected for a sediment/soil unit that is either stable or eroding without vertical mixing. A surface mixed layer is clearly evident in both profiles. However, despite this observation, the authors begin by trying to fit the data with a model that does not include a mixed layer (Hidy, various refs.). Frankly, this does not make a ton of sense. Why is this even included? Eventually at the end of this section, the authors come to the conclusion that "the depth profile model does not work well for non-attenuating profiles." Of course it doesn't! It's not supposed to. Thus, I would remove this entire initial fitting exercise.
In the next fitting exercise, the authors average all the data from the apparent mixed layer into one mixed pseudo-sample, and then try to fit the same model. As expected, this works better, but this is also a surprising thing to do, because, basically, you still have a data set that shows clearly that the process of mixing is happening, but you are trying to fit it with a model that doesn't include that process. Of course you can kind of fit it with this approach, but it's not right because it doesn't capture the effect that the production rate in the entire mixed layer is not the same as the production rate at the average depth in the mixed layer, or the effect that mixing and erosion are happening at the same time, if that makes any sense. So, this is a little better in terms of fitting the data, but kind of what has happened here is the authors have tortured the data to try to fit them with a model they know to be wrong. This could be done better.
The other review (Jane Lund Anderson) discusses this at length and applies a much more sophisticated model to fit the data. As expected, this does a much better job of fitting the data and also highlights the tradeoff between various parameters (like exposure age and inheritance) that makes it basically impossible to assign a definitive age to this deposit based on the depth-profile data. It should also be noted, however, that the results of this model simulation don't actually account for the fact that the site in Pearse Valley is episodically covered by ice, and, presumably, vertical mixing also stops during these periods. So even the large range of exposure ages permitted by these results might not cover all possible scenarios. As an aside that's not really related to this paper, the Andersen/Knudsen model doesn't do a good job of reproducing the sharp bottom of a mixed layer that is often observed in data (although it's not designed to).
Overall, however, the important thing is that even though the more sophisticated model provides an age estimate, it's also dependent on assumptions about what happened re. ice cover, etc. So the fact is that these data are not going to provide an accurate age estimate for any particular event.
One thing that would have intermediate complexity and possibly be helpful in interpreting these data would be to try to fit the data with the mixed layer model of Lal and Chen (2005). This is fairly simplified (the parameters are exposure time, erosion rate, and mixed layer depth), but it would be helpful to see what range of erosion rates and exposure times could be consistent with the data. Of course this doesn't include episodic burial by ice either. If the authors try this they should note that there is a typo in Equation 12 of Lal and Chen -- it is missing a factor of rho in one of the terms.
I am also skeptical of the "paleosublimation unconformity." Certainly this could be true, but there is no strong evidence that it is.
What these data do provide, however, is some interesting information about soil/sediment mixing in these areas, which is something that is not widely studied or understood. Like the first reviewer, I am really interested to see very thorough mixing in the upper 70 cm in the Pearse Valley core. That's not necessarily expected. So in my view these data are extremely unhelpful as to age, but quite interesting as to process. If I were writing this, I'd probably do this as follows:
1. Note the main features of the Pearse Valley depth profile data, which are (i) there is a surface mixed layer; (ii) there is a high inherited concentration at depth, and (iii) the 26/10 ratio indicates a long history of exposure and burial.
2. Note the main feature of the Wright Valley profile, which is that it has the same concentration at all depths.
3. Apply a simple calculation to determine the "age" of the mixed layer at Pearse by (i) computing excess Be-10 and Al-26 with respect to the inheritance at the bottom of the cores, and (ii) dividing by the production rate to get an age. For Pearse Valley, there is about 5e5 atoms/g excess Be-10 in the mixed layer, and the production rate in the mixed layer looks to be about 5 atoms/g/yr, which suggests that order 100 ka is needed to produce these data. Looks like you get a similar order of magnitude from the Al-26 data.
4. Apply another simple calculation to estimate the length of the minimum total exposure plus burial history recorded by the inherited 26-10 concentrations. This will come out to be 1 Ma++ and shows that these sediments have been sitting here for a long time.
5. Apply another simple calculation at Wright Valley to show that only a very short period of exposure can have taken place after the sediments were mixed/emplaced, which is already in line 264 (< LGM).
The overall conclusions being that the Pearse Valley sediments have been there for a while, but are subject to fairly rapid active-layer mixing, at least some of the time, whereas th Wright Valley sediments don't seem to have been there for very long.
I am not sure you can get much else out of these data. They are interesting from the process perspective, but I don't think they do much from the chronology perspective. In this paper, the emphasis on trying to come up with an age in order to fit these data into the overall discussion of glacier change isn't really a good fit and is not highly informative.
To summarize, I don't really have any strong recommendations for this paper. It reports a lot of data that I for one think are interesting, but, in my view, have a weaker chronological significance then portrayed here. If this paper were published in its present form it would be fine -- readers can clearly obtain and understand the context of the data, even if the data are surrounded by a lot of discussion that is not strongly related to most of the observations. However, I think the paper could be improved by focusing the discussion of the depth-profile data on the process significance and not on the chronology.
A couple of minor items:-- The 26/10 diagrams need to say what production rate was used to draw the simple exposure region and isochrons. I take it this is the surface production rate at the core site? Of course these diagrams look very different if you normalize each sample to the production rate at its respective depth.
-- It would be helpful in 3.2.1 to get a little more information about the ice-cemented soil. The use of 'ice-cemented' tends to indicate that there is only ice in the pore space and it is still clast-supported. Correct? Also, are the ice wedges in Figure 5 accurately to scale? As this is a pretty obscure place that is unlikely to be revisited often, it would be great to get a little more detailed description of the sediments.
-- Line 360-ish. I am confused by the 'any postdepositional...is unknown...' sentence. Clarify? Maybe what you want to say here is what you know, what you are assuming, and what you are trying to solve for by model fitting.
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Jacob Anderson, 07 May 2023
The comment was uploaded in the form of a supplement: https://tc.copernicus.org/preprints/tc-2022-252/tc-2022-252-AC2-supplement.pdf
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Jacob Anderson, 07 May 2023
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