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Megadunes in Antarctica: migration and evolution from remote and in situ observations
- 1Department of Physical Sciences, Earth and Environment (DSFTA), Università degli Studi di Siena, 53100 Siena, Italy
- 2Department of Environmental Science and Policy (ESP), Università degli Studi di Milano, 20133 Milan, Italy
- 3Department of Science, Università degli Studi Roma Tre, 00146 Rome, Italy
- 1Department of Physical Sciences, Earth and Environment (DSFTA), Università degli Studi di Siena, 53100 Siena, Italy
- 2Department of Environmental Science and Policy (ESP), Università degli Studi di Milano, 20133 Milan, Italy
- 3Department of Science, Università degli Studi Roma Tre, 00146 Rome, Italy
Abstract. Megadunes are peculiar snow dune fields known to be present only on the East Antarctic plateau and other planets (Mars and Pluto). Antarctic megadunes are climatically important because their leeward flanks are characterized by glazed surfaces, a particular morphogenetic state of snow which makes these zones ablation areas, as their surface mass balance is near-zero or negative, on a continental ice sheet where surface mass balance is on average positive. This work builds on previous efforts in this field and by taking advantage from the most recent remote-sensing products and techniques coupled with field data, aims to provide new information and confirm previous hypotheses about megadunes. Focusing on two sample areas of the East Antarctic plateau where in the past international field activities were carried out (EAIIST and It-ITASE), we analysed the dynamic parameters of megadunes, their albedo and morphology. For the first time we provide a detailed analysis of their upwind migration, in all its components (absolute, sedimentological and ice flow) from remote and field observations, finding absolute values of approximately 10 m a−1 and demonstrating the upwind migration of dune windward flanks, with a relative stability of the leeward faces. Using remote sensing, we analysed their optical characteristics, i.e., albedo (broadband and NIR), brightness temperature and topographic parameters, including slope, aspect and slope along the prevailing wind direction (SPWD). First numerical results about glazed-surface albedo are thus provided, which is found to be lower than the surrounding snow, especially in NIR wavelengths. This detailed information allowed us to perform a precise mapping of glazed surfaces and their evolution and trends over time, demonstrating a general overall intra-annual areal decrease in summer (−16 %) and an inter-annual increase over recent years (at maximum almost +0.2 % per year in January).
Giacomo Traversa et al.
Status: final response (author comments only)
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RC1: 'Comment on tc-2022-11', Ted Scambos, 22 Feb 2022
Review of Traversa et al. Megadunes in Antarctica: migration and evolution…
The paper presents a detailed study of the characteristics of two megadune field areas in East Antarctica with a goal of generating well-defined spectral, thermal, and slope correlations, potentially useful for long-term mapping, and characterizing upwind migration and net migration (accretion plus ice flow) of the dunes. This upwind migration had been inferred from radar profile layering, but had not been shown in detail.
Much as I like this paper, and learned from it, it is not ready for publication. In general, the description of the work is too wordy, to diffuse, and it seems to track the path of the investigation, rather than present the results as they were perceived at the end of the study. The paper could be much shorter, and could move some of the detailed comparisions (e.g. between Landsat and Sentinel2 results, other nuances in the SPWD and GPS work) to supplemental information.
I would suggest that the authors lay out a somewhat more direct goal of the research in the abstract and move the statements about confirming past work, setting up the study, to the Introduction. Along the lines of : ‘We investigate two EAIS megadune fields with significant past in-situ measurement data, using in addition current imaging sensors (Landsat 8 and Sentinel2), elevation models (REMA), and accumulation models (RACMO) to explore spectral, thermal, and windward slope relationships with a view towards generating a mapping algorithm for time-series investigation. We also use detailed elevation and ice flow data to determine the net migration and the sedimentological migration of the windward face of megadunes. Our study finds strong correlations between …NIR, ..thermal and …slope… but with seasonal variations… and a range of accretionary migration rates that imply all or most of the regional accumulation (as determined by RACMO and other models) is gathered in the accretionary faces.’ Results indicate. Xxx corelations, and yyy migration rates…. Our study sets a course for more regional evaluations of…..’
I would suggest combining some of the graphics, since there were few material differences between EAIIST and It-ITASE study sites, and not a lot of justification for showing both the absolute and the normalized plots.
Also, show the correlation scatter plots for the parameters that correlate highly,, with the correlation line adn statistics.
There also seems to be a lot of zig-zagging in the text between Methods, Results, and Discussion. Try to iron these out, saying things once and saying the most definite things that you wish to share in each section.
Detailed comments follow – written as I read the draft.
L16 – change to: …taking advantage of the most recent….
L19 suggest present tense: analyse, not analysed.
L42 – change to: ….that can be observed from satellites…
Figure 1 – suggested caption text: Satellite image map of the Antarctic continent (Jezek, 1999) with elevation contour lines at 1000m a.s.l. intervals. Megadune regions are shown as cross-hatched blue areas (Fahnestock et al., 2000), with net surface mass balance in color for areas with SMB < 50 kg m-2 yr-1, based on RACMO (van Wessem et al., 2014). The main study areas, shown as dark boxes in panel a, are the EAIIST region (panel b) and It-ITASE sites, both represented by Landsat 8 images (give path, row, and dates of Landsat acquisitions). (no need to mention the projection)
L63 – change to ….provide a detailed survey of Antarctica’s megadunes using remote sensing….
L65 – suggested notation, ….two Landsat 8 scenes, P069 R119 (EAIIST site) and P081 R114 (It-ITASE site), in order…. I suggest not giving a lat-long point here, the scenes cover a large area. Perhaps you could show the corner positions of the scenes in Figure 1, outside the images at their corners.
L67 – in what band will you provide brightness temperature – thermal? passive microwave? (thermal, ok).
L90-91 – This sentence is a bit odd – the katabatic wind direction is known from models and wind observations; this wind direction is fundamental to megadune orientation, not the reverse. I think this sentence could be removed or converted to a different sentence about the katabatic winds and megadunes.
L91-92-93; the SPWD slopes of the leeward and windward sides of megadunes are of opposite sign -- please note that.
L126 – no need to capitalize ‘metadata’.
L165 – these sentences, beginning with ‘The transect plots…’ are hard to understand, I suggest rewording them and referring to Figure 2 and perhaps other figures.
Figure 2 caption – add ‘lines’ : …of transects (yellow lines) on the …. No need for the lat-long positions, the images cover extensive areas. …green rectangle (b) is the area shown in Figure 3a…. NOTE: if you did not reproject the L8 images, they are in polar stereographic projection, not UTM – that is how they are distributed (all images south of 60°S latitude are in polar stereographic).
L179 ‘firstly’ is not wrong, but old-fashioned – suggest change to ‘first’
L180-185 FYI, the USGS is now providing ‘analysis ready data’ which in fact includes TOA reflectance. I am not certain that this extends globally yet, but a request to USGS to specially process a handful of images would be worth trying. This can be outside this paper, but if the ‘analysis ready data’ is available, it should compared with your work.
L198-204 This could be a significant issue: the Landsat 8 thermal channels 10 and 11 had some problems, and in fact it was recommended that channel 11 not be used for analysis. Depending upon when you retrieved L8 data, it may or may not have had a corrected channel 10 value, corrected for stray light impacts and pushbroom detector noise.
L214-216 section between the commas: … , where Band 5 NIR …. Frezzotti et al., 2002b), … Remove from the sentence, perhaps find another place for these words. It is distracting from your edge-detection of sastrugi method for determining wind direction from the imagery.
L218 – what was the variation in degrees between (a) extracted wind directions in a uniform section of the images, and (b) among the wind directions determined in the repeated imagery for the same areas? ‘Only small differences’… I’m sure you are right, but a value in degrees would be useful to underscore that.
L222-230 – I suspect this adjacent-pixel method was a bit noisy – and you are saying that determining the SPWD over a 90m cell (3x3 pixels) would significantly reduce the slope? This does not seem right to me. Also – I’m not seeing how Equation 4 does not include either trigonometric functions, or, more than two pixels with some kind of ratio for the elevations of the windward pixels - ?
L233 ‘modules’ is not the right word here – ‘modes’ might be what you mean, but while it sort of works, the meaning is unclear. Perhaps just end the sentence at ‘directions’.
L234 remove ‘thus’, not needed.
Figure 3. It would be a bit better to flip the x-axis of 3b around, since 3a shows the wind moving from left to right, and the topography goes downhill left to right as well.
L250 This approach may have a problem. In Landsat 8, there is a strong correlation, even spanning years, to the linear sastrugi pattern and ‘surface roughness’ at the decameter scale; the megadunes themselves are much ‘softer’ features and are probably not the features that would be tracked by IMCORR (or PyCORR – see GoLIVE data at NSIDC; or ITS_LIVE data at NSIDC as well). You could address this by filtering --- use a high-pass filter of ~150m length scale on the image pairs to isolate the sastrugi pattern and erase the megadunes; and a low-pass filter of the same scale to smooth out the sastrugi and leave the megadune features for IMCORR or PyCORR. You may want to use a large high-pass filter as well for the megadunes (~6km), to supress bedrock-driven features (the ‘undulation field’) from the megadunes-only image pair. Note you would need to use a large reference area size to track the megadune pattern after filtering (or downsample the images, or both). This should allow a direct comparison of the two motion maps you are after. The high-pass filtered mapping should isolate the true ice sheet flow, directly downhill; and the low-pass filtered map should emphasize the megadune migration, a combination of sedimentological advance and ice flow. I see in L270 you attempted this with edge-detection of glaze-accumulation zones.
L257-259 – please include these attempts in the table.
L290-309 – I think this section could be stated more briefly and simply. Also – did you explore surface grain size or a normalized red-infrared band difference? NDSI?
L295 and Figure A1 – do you have any explanation for the decreased albedo with increased SZA? (sastrugi shadowing…).
L322-328 – again please check – it may be that for this analysis, brightness temperature only, and perhaps with some spatial averaging of values? This application will be ok – but prior to 2020 there were significant issues with Band 11 in Landsat 8 (which were partiall addressed by processing for the entire archive in 2020). It would be better to base your brightness temperature solely on Band10
Figure 5 Please re-plot with the y-axis warmer=up!
L347 change to ‘….is generally east (….’
L348-349 change to ‘…The regional topographic slope (10 km scale) is on average 1.5 m km-1….’
Table2 – please put the regions in the upper left of each sub-table, EAIIST (left) and It-ITASE(right).
L355-362 this could be written more concisely.
Section 3.4 – the goal of this section could be presented more concisely with crossplots of the parameters showing the strong correlations.
Overall - -most of this up to this point is nice to see, but not a surprise – NIR albedo lower, temperature higher, SPWD trends, sastrugi versus model wind, all these are tightly correlated and are a function of the published characteristics and formation ideas for megadunes. So, while I understand that it was work to put it all together, and you’d like to show it, it is much more interesting that you combined them to create a classification method for megadunes that you can use to look for seasonal and interannual changes.
Section 3.5 – I think this is the best part of the manuscript – a slghtly quicker pace to get to this part of the paper might be better.
Figure 7 – can you present this as an image with the change (glaze in November not January; and glaze in January not November) shown as colored strips on the black-and-white NIR image?
L405 – Can you assemble Landsat images of the entire dune area for, e.g. 2013 and 2020, and look for regional expansion of glaze areas in January? This would be a very important result.
Section 3.6 – ‘Superficial’ in English means ‘unimportant’ or 'trivial'– I think just ‘Ice sheet velocity and upwind megadune migration’ would make a better heading here.
L422 – do you have a figure of the nine megadunes traversed by GPS? I see Figure 3b, but perhaps a graphic highlighting the GPS plus REMA assessment of migration?
Also – what local accumulation rates are indicated by the frontal accretion? Assuming the glaze areas on the lee side of the dunes have near-zero accumulation, what does this mean for the regional accumulation rate, e.g. from RACMO, compared to what you observe?
L444 – change to ‘near-identical’ or ‘identical within the limits of determination’
L451-467 – could you not evaluate the inter-annual changes using only, e.g. mid-January images?
L484 – ‘scalarly summed?’ would it not be a vector sum to get the net migration?
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RC2: 'Comment on tc-2022-11', Stef Lhermitte, 29 Mar 2022
SUMMARY
Traversa and colleagues present an analysis of two transects of megadunes in East Antartica based on optical and thermal infrared satellite remote sensing data and they relate the spatial patters in the satellite data with topographic characteristics (e.g. slope, aspect). Additionally they analyse the spatial migration of the megadunes by cross-correlation techniques on the satellite imagery.MAJOR COMMENTS
Although the paper tackles an interesting research topic (assessing spatial variations in megadunes) with novel results (upward migration and role on SMB), it may eventually warrant publication if some very major comments are addressed. The major comments are mostly related to a complete reorganization of the paper, which would require a significant effort. The major comments are outlined below and identified in detail in the specific comments are made in the uploaded pdf.• The paper is currently written in a very lengthy and narrative setup following the research path with parts of the data, methods and results diluted throughout the paper. This makes it difficult to quickly read the paper and/or look for specific data set processing, analyses, etc. Reorganizing this into better aligned data, methods and results sections will allow to shorten and focus the paper better highlighting the main message.
• The paper shows some direct overlap with a previous conference proceeding by the same authors ( Traversa, G., Fugazza, D., and Frezzotti, M.: Analysis of Megadune Fields in Antarctica, in: 2021 IEEE International Geoscience and Remote Sensing Symposium IGARSS, 5513–5516, https://doi.org/10.1109/IGARSS47720.2021.9554827, 2021a). I would consider removing the overlap (e.g. again showing the NIR profiles) and focusing on the novelty in this paper
• The migration problem remains complex as the Traversa et al show that the windward flanks migrate, while the leeward flanks don't. Consequently, it cannot be a (moving) steady state and after a long time the windward flanks would overlap with the leeward flanks, which would seem rather problematic on the long term. Therefore, the migration part of the study would benefit from some extension to address/document the importance of this discrepancy in more detail.
• The introduction now contains two separate parts with a general introduction with short summary, focus, aim and is then followed by a second more in-depth introduction about the processes, uncertainties related to megadunes. I would advice to go for general introduction -> in-depth introduction (including scientific problem statement) -> aim -> short summary. This will increase the readability and flow of the introduction.
• The subtle differences in use of different data sets (Landsat, Sentinel-1) and preprocessing (e.g. FCC on different bands for different data sets) makes it complex to follow the flow and setup of the paper as it therefore reads as a patchwork of different things. Consider switching to a more homogeneous or grouped approach that would allow the reader to better understand (Study Area / Data including processing (Landsat, Sentinel, Wind, GPR, Velocity)) / Methods (reflectance + albedo, thermal brightness temperature, SPWD, classification, migration (including comparison with existing velocity) / Results per method subsection / Discussion without new results / Conclusion ).
• The paper mentions seven transects for the analysis, but from my understanding many of analysis seem limited to one transect (C in figures 4-6). Consider making the analysis more general and extensive so the results can also be generalised for the other transects.
• Based on the equation of SPWD (Eq.4) the SPWD is only calculated for eight potential neighboring cell (i.e. in steps of 45 degrees). This implies that wind uncertainties of 22.5 degrees (and corresponding height differences in different directions) would not affect the affect the SPWD as the wind can only flow N,NE,E,SE,S,SW,W,NE and nowhere in between. This could have large impact on the SPWD as the 8 directions do not necessarily align with the maximal slope alogn the terrain. I would therefore recommend to recalculate the SPWD along the real wind direction but for interpolated DEM data.
• Given the difference in satellite response for images with SZA < 70 and >70 I would consider only using images with SZA<70. The other seem erroneous and by limiting it to SZA<70 (in the data section) based on know artefacts (e.g. Picard 2016) it would allow the story to focus on the main points.
• The classification of Figure 7 is completely unclear as all methodological details are missing. Additionally I am missing analyses that show that albedo and brightness temperature cannot be used and/or that the method works and is reliable. Just using a method and saying that it works is not how it should be done.
• I would advice to deposit the data corresponding to the paper in a open access repository (with doi) and not rely on requests to the corresponding author.SPECIFIC COMMENTS related to line numbers, figures etc
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EC1: 'Editor Comment on tc-2022-11', Olaf Eisen, 11 Apr 2022
Dear Giacomo Traversa and coauthors
we now received two reviews for your manuscript. They are very consistent and coherent in the sense that they do not see major issues with the methodological approach, but with the way you introduce the material, structure the manuscript and present the results. Given the criticism, we cannot accept your manuscript at this stage for publication in the present form, but want to encourage you to provide a revised version after major revisions.Both reviewers provide very constructive, detailed and helpful comments how to improve the writing of your manuscript and how to present the results more concise for an easy and effective understanding. I ask you to perform the revision along those suggestions or provide a suitable reason if you did not implement one of them. Your reply should contain a detailed point-by-point account on how you addressed each item, including comments made in the annotated pdf by one of the reviewers. This should be uploaded together with the revised version and a version which indicates the changes (track changes).I’m looking forward to receive your revision.Best Regards,Olaf EisenEditor TC
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